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Xaredian wrote: I swear I said something about swimming and being unable to see while swimming. It's not that great of a feeling, I can tell you that much. So, I can understand that.

I would think not being able to see while swimming can't be worse than not being able to see while walking. In the ocean you can't really swim into things or trip on shit. Unless you have goggles you can't see under the water anyway.

Jobriq wrote:Unless you have goggles you can't see under the water anyway.

Some people can actually.

How, I have no idea...

Xaredian wrote:

Comrade wrote:A lot of people hate themselves, what are you trying to say?

I don't see the logic in being mad at ones self.
You can be sad at yourself. But, being angry? No. I can't see it.

I swear I said something about swimming and being unable to see while swimming. It's not that great of a feeling, I can tell you that much. So, I can understand that.

Humans are the most illogical species on the planet. Lower animals run primarily on instinct and thus are logical more often than not. Sapience curses humanity to be confounding on a regular basis. And when we screw up enough, we get angry. Very angry. I'm sure the HBHC is full of self-hatred in varying degrees.

Now, that's a good point, but can you tell me that much while having never been able to see in the first place? I'd imagine it's a much less troublesome affair for Lilly, as a lack of sight is just status quo.

Jobriq wrote:

Xaredian wrote: I swear I said something about swimming and being unable to see while swimming. It's not that great of a feeling, I can tell you that much. So, I can understand that.

I would think not being able to see while swimming can't be worse than not being able to see while walking. In the ocean you can't really swim into things or trip on shit. Unless you have goggles you can't see under the water anyway.

While true, you can't really trip of things when you're in the ocean, but being unable to tell how far the surface is above your head can make a panic effect. Also, you're talking to a swimmer, i'd naturally have goggles with me. Even though I use my ears more than my eyes to tell where I am in the water (like, how far the surface is), I can't easily tell how close a wall or the like is without the use of my eyes.

I feel like they're getting off topic now... I'll stop in hijacking this thread. What was the last thing? I remember something about Lilly and swimming. But what about the people that work there?

Xaredian wrote:

Jobriq wrote:

Xaredian wrote: I swear I said something about swimming and being unable to see while swimming. It's not that great of a feeling, I can tell you that much. So, I can understand that.

I would think not being able to see while swimming can't be worse than not being able to see while walking. In the ocean you can't really swim into things or trip on shit. Unless you have goggles you can't see under the water anyway.

While true, you can't really trip of things when you're in the ocean, but being unable to tell how far the surface is above your head can make a panic effect. Also, you're talking to a swimmer, i'd naturally have goggles with me. Even though I use my ears more than my eyes to tell where I am in the water (like, how far the surface is), I can't easily tell how close a wall or the like is without the use of my eyes.

I feel like they're getting off topic now... I'll stop in hijacking this thread. What was the last thing? I remember something about Lilly and swimming. But what about the people that work there?

I imagine it could be pretty frightening not really being able to tell which way is up, how deep the water is, how far to the edge of the pool, etc.Having someone trustworthy to accompany her seems pretty essential.

To get off Lilly for a sec, I wonder if being a school owned pool, whether they'd allow bikini's or other swimsuits? Seeign as how Yamaku seems to be a pretty conservative place, I can see them only allowing standard issue blue school swimsuits.

pandaphil wrote:I imagine it could be pretty frightening not really being able to tell which way is up, how deep the water is,

I'm sorry, but I feel like I need to point this out: Sight isn't needed to know those things.

Your body doesn't use sight to determine which way is up- if you were to be strapped to a chair nailed to floor of the empty, windowless room, had your hair in a hair net and were turn the entire room upside down, by sight nothing would change, but you'd know that you're upside down. How? You can feel which direction the force of gravity is pulling you.
And you could also tell how deep in the water you were by the pressure- something that someone with as acute of senses as Lilly should have no problem doing.

pandaphil wrote:Seeing as how Yamaku seems to be a pretty conservative place, I can see them only allowing standard issue blue school swimsuits.

Similar thoughts. I'd like to say that the swimsuits would only be applicable to a swimming class, but no such class was mentioned in the visual novel (understandably so). Also, I don't know anything about Japanese culture, and I wouldn't like having to draw any assumed knowledge from subbed excerpts of swimming animes. Mostly because 1. it's anime, and 2. I haven't seen any cripple-swimming shows in my life.

In my Californian-biased opinion, I'd think that a choice of wear would be acceptable. Un-yay for dress codes and private schools, and fine print.

pandaphil wrote:

Xaredian wrote:

Jobriq wrote:I would think not being able to see while swimming can't be worse than not being able to see while walking. In the ocean you can't really swim into things or trip on shit. Unless you have goggles you can't see under the water anyway.

While true, you can't really trip of things when you're in the ocean, but being unable to tell how far the surface is above your head can make a panic effect. Also, you're talking to a swimmer, i'd naturally have goggles with me. Even though I use my ears more than my eyes to tell where I am in the water (like, how far the surface is), I can't easily tell how close a wall or the like is without the use of my eyes.

I feel like they're getting off topic now... I'll stop in hijacking this thread. What was the last thing? I remember something about Lilly and swimming. But what about the people that work there?

I imagine it could be pretty frightening not really being able to tell which way is up, how deep the water is, how far to the edge of the pool, etc.Having someone trustworthy to accompany her seems pretty essential.

To get off Lilly for a sec, I wonder if being a school owned pool, whether they'd allow bikini's or other swimsuits? Seeign as how Yamaku seems to be a pretty conservative place, I can see them only allowing standard issue blue school swimsuits.

I'd have thought full body suits, for both males and females.

Lianam wrote:

pandaphil wrote:I imagine it could be pretty frightening not really being able to tell which way is up, how deep the water is,

I'm sorry, but I feel like I need to point this out: Sight isn't needed to know those things.

Your body doesn't use sight to determine which way is up- if you were to be strapped to a chair nailed to floor of the empty, windowless room, had your hair in a hair net and were turn the entire room upside down, by sight nothing would change, but you'd know that you're upside down. How? You can feel which direction the force of gravity is pulling you.
And you could also tell how deep in the water you were by the pressure- something that someone with as acute of senses as Lilly should have no problem doing.

Or for those that are use to swimming often. It be in the ocean, or in very deep pools, it doesn't matter.

Umber wrote:Similar thoughts. I'd like to say that the swimsuits would only be applicable to a swimming class, but no such class was mentioned in the visual novel (understandably so). Also, I don't know anything about Japanese culture, and I wouldn't like having to draw any assumed knowledge from subbed excerpts of swimming animes. Mostly because 1. it's anime, and 2. I haven't seen any cripple-swimming shows in my life.

In my Californian-biased opinion, I'd think that a choice of wear would be acceptable. Un-yay for dress codes and private schools, and fine print.

Damn me and hijacking. QQ
Anyways.
One of older swimming coaches said that he knew someone that could swim without his legs, while he was in Germany. That's one of the rare times i've actually heard of a "cripple" that swam. He also said that the guy was able to swim quite fast.

While full body suits make more sense given the nature of the school, that immediately puts anyone missing limbs at a major disadvantage. At least with the typical swimsuit that can be worked around. Perhaps there's simply the option to have either or, I could see plenty of others besides Hanako wanting to go the full body route (Rika, for one).

PyroOgre wrote:While full body suits make more sense given the nature of the school, that immediately puts anyone missing limbs at a major disadvantage. At least with the typical swimsuit that can be worked around. Perhaps there's simply the option to have either or, I could see plenty of others besides Hanako wanting to go the full body route (Rika, for one).

For some reason i doubt many people with missing limbs will be swimming

Comrade wrote:

PyroOgre wrote:While full body suits make more sense given the nature of the school, that immediately puts anyone missing limbs at a major disadvantage. At least with the typical swimsuit that can be worked around. Perhaps there's simply the option to have either or, I could see plenty of others besides Hanako wanting to go the full body route (Rika, for one).

For some reason i doubt many people with missing limbs will be swimming

Why?

Xanatos wrote:

Comrade wrote:

PyroOgre wrote:While full body suits make more sense given the nature of the school, that immediately puts anyone missing limbs at a major disadvantage. At least with the typical swimsuit that can be worked around. Perhaps there's simply the option to have either or, I could see plenty of others besides Hanako wanting to go the full body route (Rika, for one).

For some reason i doubt many people with missing limbs will be swimming

Why?

It's not the easiest of sports/exercises to do if you lack a limb, or two, or three.

Xaredian wrote:It's not the easiest of sports/exercises to do if you lack a limb, or two, or three.

And painting isn't easiest without hands (or sight, in some cases), and running isn't easiest without legs...

Comrade wrote:

PyroOgre wrote:While full body suits make more sense given the nature of the school, that immediately puts anyone missing limbs at a major disadvantage. At least with the typical swimsuit that can be worked around. Perhaps there's simply the option to have either or, I could see plenty of others besides Hanako wanting to go the full body route (Rika, for one).

For some reason i doubt many people with missing limbs will be swimming

I know a one legged man with his own swimming pool.

Xanatos wrote:

Xaredian wrote:It's not the easiest of sports/exercises to do if you lack a limb, or two, or three.

And painting isn't easiest without hands (or sight, in some cases), and running isn't easiest without legs...

Emi would disagree.