brythain wrote:I'm just reading your logic and applying it.
1. No one needs to be in control.
2. Hisao says he'd prefer it.
3. You say control is dickish.
Therefore, Hisao is dickish or has dickish tendencies.
You're taking his side. Hence...
Please re-read argument:
'Control' is a relative term. You know as well as I do that Hisao did not mean that he wanted to dominate and restrict Shizune. When Shizune was riding Hisao atop the Student Council room desk, she was, in a sense, in control because she had taken charge of their sex. But notice that in that instance Hisao can still feel her, can still freely move around, and can switch sides and get on top if he wishes to.
Also, not being able to hear what Hisao is saying during the act would not really put Shizune at a disadvantage if they were on an equal playing field. To answer your question, no one needs to be in control for it be fair. 'Controlled' sex, in the bondage sense, is only fair when it's discussed and agreed upon in advance. Restricting someone you know won't fight back because they trust you and they're afraid of hurting you? I'm not sure what to call that, but it doesn't strike me as a 'fair' way of controlling the situation.
I talk about two different forms of control: being in control over someone and having a sense of control, but you're only applying the former so that you can say I'm calling Hisao a dick. No offense, but that's a cheap argument tactic.
Having a sense of control, i.e., being able to move around freely, is not a dickish thing at all. It's obvious that's what Hisao meant and not that he wished could 'control' Shizune. How is that obvious? Because he says that
now he is control as he wished
then. But Alpacalypse and I only claimed that taking control away from Hisao (or in other words, exerting control over him) was a dickish thing to do -- that's clearly not what Hisao does to Misha.
Not all of them can be right. I'm just looking at what you say, and asserting that you're projecting an opinion that may be partly supported but isn't necessarily true.
See the above paragraph. My interpretation of that line is supported by the scene itself.
brythain wrote:
EDIT2: I just re-read your last para. What? I never brought Misha into my argument. By bringing that scene in, it was you who set up the false equivalence!
You
just said that Hisao would prefer it, which is only supported by the Misha screenshot I posted earlier. If that screenshot wasn't part of your argument for his 'dickish'ness, how on Earth did you even arrive at those conclusions?
