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Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 6:57 pm
by sg1cat
If Lilly's and Shizune's fathers are brothers, then why don't the girls share the same family name? (Satou vs. Hakamichi?)
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Thu Dec 05, 2013 8:23 pm
by Steinherz
sg1cat wrote:If Lilly's and Shizune's fathers are brothers, then why don't the girls share the same family name? (Satou vs. Hakamichi?)
This has been addressed.
In short: Typos are a bitch.
In long, here's how the family works:
Hiroyuki Satou (Lilly's Father) is the brother of Mayoi Satou (Hakamichi), who married Jigoro Hakamichi (yes, Lilly's Father and Shizune's Mother have names. You just have to delve deep enough in the "Ask!" thread to find them :p )
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 10:16 pm
by Atario
Steinherz wrote:Hiroyuki Satou (Lilly's Father) is the brother of Mayoi Satou (Hakamichi), who married Jigoro Hakamichi (yes, Lilly's Father and Shizune's Mother have names. You just have to delve deep enough in the "Ask!" thread to find them :p )
So the answer is that they're really only brothers
-in-law?
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 11:55 pm
by Steinherz
Atario wrote:Steinherz wrote:Hiroyuki Satou (Lilly's Father) is the brother of Mayoi Satou (Hakamichi), who married Jigoro Hakamichi (yes, Lilly's Father and Shizune's Mother have names. You just have to delve deep enough in the "Ask!" thread to find them :p )
So the answer is that they're really only brothers
-in-law?
Yup.
However, the way it's said in the VN however implies that they're blood-related instead of in-laws.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 5:27 am
by Guest Poster
Yep, they're only brothers-in-law. Hideaki's statement in Shizune's route was a mistake. (not a typo)
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:41 am
by themocaw
Also it is not unheard of in Japan for the husband to take his wife's name.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 7:53 am
by Guest Poster
Quoting myself from the Ask-thread:
In Japan, it's customary for the wife to marry into the husband's family and thus adopt his family name, but it's not completely uncommon for a man to marry into his wife's family and adopt her last name instead. The two most common reasons for such a thing to happen are either the man belonging to a lower class family marrying into a high class family (or the man belonging to a family that has been involved in a scandal of some sort) or the bride's father owning a family business that the groom is set to take over at some point.
That said, Mister Satou and Jigoro are still brothers-in-law and not brothers.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 10:50 am
by Atario
Guest Poster wrote:The two most common reasons for such a thing to happen are either the man belonging to a lower class family marrying into a high class family (or the man belonging to a family that has been involved in a scandal of some sort) or the bride's father owning a family business that the groom is set to take over at some point.
Hm. That might make an interesting angle for an alternate version where they are actual blood brothers: which of these could prompt Jigoro to give up the Satou name and take his wife's Hakamichi name? And maybe his over-the-top persona could be a reaction to him feeling humiliated by having to give up his own name — overcompensation.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 3:35 pm
by Steinherz
Guest Poster wrote:Quoting myself from the Ask-thread:
In Japan, it's customary for the wife to marry into the husband's family and thus adopt his family name, but it's not completely uncommon for a man to marry into his wife's family and adopt her last name instead. The two most common reasons for such a thing to happen are either the man belonging to a lower class family marrying into a high class family (or the man belonging to a family that has been involved in a scandal of some sort) or the bride's father owning a family business that the groom is set to take over at some point.
That said, Mister Satou and Jigoro are still brothers-in-law and not brothers.
themocaw wrote:Also it is not unheard of in Japan for the husband to take his wife's name.
A few countries in the world are like that. I know for a fact Germany is one of these places. *nods*
But yes, they are still in-laws
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 5:27 pm
by demonix
Guest Poster wrote:Yep, they're only brothers-in-law. Hideaki's statement in Shizune's route was a mistake. (not a typo)
Hisao made the same mistake in Lilly's route.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 6:18 pm
by Guest Poster
To be honest, I don't remember that statement. What exactly did he say?
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:10 am
by Atario
Hisao wrote:Wait a minute, if Hideaki is the son of Akira's uncle, and Shizune is his sister, then that means Lilly and Shizune's fathers are brothers. Therefore…
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 9:31 am
by Guest Poster
Ah, thanks. Though that line could also be dismissed as Hisao simply getting part of the guesswork wrong, but still arriving at the right conclusion (Lilly and Shizune being first cousins), meaning the team could get away with not changing it.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 8:46 pm
by ProfAllister
...You know, some people don't make a huge deal about pointing out "-in-law." Brothers-in-law are still brothers in much the same way that yellow trousers are still trousers.
So they could be biological brothers with some cultural explanation as to why Jigoro took Hakamichi (or Hiroyuki took Satou), or they could simply be brothers-in-law without anyone making a big deal about the fact that they're not brothers by blood.
Re: Question about Lilly and Shizune
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 2:09 am
by Guest Poster
Since they're said to dislike each other, it'd be likely that THEY would be quick to point out they're merely in-laws and not brothers by blood.
Anyway, Word of God said they're really brothers-in-law and that comments contradicting this in the game were false and might be corrected, so in the end the discussion is a moot one.
Also, it's really unlikely Lilly's dad could have gotten the Satou name by marrying his wife, since said wife is Scottish and Satou isn't exactly a common Scottish family name.
