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That part about "comforting"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 10:52 pm
by YZQ
Call me slow, but I sort-of recently realised that there is a pretty well-known case of "comforting" having the same meaning as KS. In A Song of Ice and Fire, Robb Stark said the same thing to his mother when she asked why he slept with his bride.

"She... comforted me, mother."

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:02 pm
by Xanatos
KS isn't the first to use that meaning. Where do you think they got it? :lol:

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:05 pm
by Umber
Maybe Misha was into fantasy literature at the time (though that seems more likely for Hanako).

When you say that it was the 'reason' he slept with his bride, you could throw in the undying debate of how comfort should be interpreted in terms of the Misha scene's context and literal/implied definitions. And that's when I turn into the ever-so-neutral Switzerland.

By the way, you're not that slow compared to me; I've never read A Song of Ice and Fire, now excuse me while I go cry in a corner.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Fri Jun 28, 2013 11:07 pm
by YZQ
Well, it was that one line, easily missed out of the thousands of lines in the series, and certainly not the most memetic even among the "love" lines.

"The things I do for love."

@Umber: If you don't have the time, Tvtropes has an excellent description. It is not for the faint of heart or the scrupulous.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:17 am
by Xanatos
Umber wrote:Maybe Misha was into fantasy literature at the time
I find that unlikely...But I can't shake the mental image.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:20 am
by KeiichiO
YZQ wrote:@Umber: If you don't have the time, Tvtropes has an excellent description. It is not for the faint of heart or the scrupulous.
I probably have the faintest of hearts out of the people I know, and I love the series. I'm not too far, though. The Red Wedding gave me nightmares...

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:24 am
by YZQ
The Red Wedding was the episode which convinced me that Martin was a closet The Art of War fan. Don't know your lessons from the book? You get bumped off.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:27 am
by KeiichiO
YZQ wrote:The Red Wedding was the episode which convinced me that Martin was a closet The Art of War fan. Don't know your lessons from the book? You get bumped off.
Oh, he's very realistic when writing of war. There is no mercy on the battlefield.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 4:56 am
by Guest Poster
The alternative meaning of "to comfort" is probably a well-known euphemism in Japan. The sexual meaning of the word is older than WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:08 am
by Xanatos
Guest Poster wrote:The alternative meaning of "to comfort" is probably a well-known euphemism in Japan. The sexual meaning of the word is older than WW2.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comfort_women
I was never aware it wasn't a common euphemism until people here went all "WTF" over that scene... :lol:

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:35 am
by Guest Poster
You and me both, it seems.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 5:41 am
by Mirage_GSM
Wow, I didn't realize Gam of Thrones has been around so long... It probably wasn't hyped that much back in 2007 and certainly not in Japan, though.
Also, term "comfort women" hasn't quite the same meaning as the action "to comfort women," though the former may well be the origin of the latter.

It is quite common, though and was probably familiar to anyone who had read one or two VNs before. It did induce some minor eye-rolling in me, though, since the term is quite corny and probably not somthing Hisao would use in his inner monologue. It's something I wanted to point out during the beta, but I'm not sure if I remembered to do so.

Re: That part about "comforting"

Posted: Sat Jun 29, 2013 6:59 am
by MegaMoto
Xanatos wrote:
Umber wrote:Maybe Misha was into fantasy literature at the time
I find that unlikely...But I can't shake the mental image.
All I see now is Misha with a pitch fork and torch after finding out about the RED WEDDING.