First H-scene will be in what act

[SivakAurak]

I was poking fun at the idea that the first H-scene would be [emotion] sex. But especially pity sex. Seriously, what the fuck?

How about bemused sex?

[Bara]

I was poking fun at the idea that the first H-scene would be [emotion] sex. But especially pity sex. Seriously, what the fuck?

With a 17 year old virgin male it will be embarasingly fast his first time.
Fortunately for the 17 year old females of the world the recuperative sexual abilities of of 17 year old males is near godly.

I can buy into emotions before sex; emotions after sex; yes. But during sex? Only if the emotions can be experienced in micro-seconds.

[Deimos]

I think that the first H-scene will be a pity sex one, and then you have sex out of feelings after that. Something like that so the sex can be used as a plot forwarding tool.

How would that correspond to the girls' characters? If you have an answer, please feel free to elaborate.

Cause that is what I am thinking:

Imagine Hanako giving Hisao pity sex! How pitiful must he be to override the shyness that is encoded within her?

However, I could be wrong, so I would like to hear your explanation.

[Seroanth]

Hanako will probably have them really late into the game, and probably very few of them.

Though you never know, she could go nympho on you and do it 30 times.

[Lawls]

How would that correspond to the girls' characters? If you have an answer, please feel free to elaborate.

I just kind of thought of a scenario when i made my post. X girl revels X about her past or how she really thinks of her disability... etc. then feeling sorry for X girl you then have the first time with them out of pity for whatever X was

(hope this helps you understand my previous post)

[Seroanth]

We shall see.
We.
Shall.
See.

[Deimos]

I just kind of thought of a scenario when i made my post. X girl revels X about her past or how she really thinks of her disability... etc. then feeling sorry for X girl you then have the first time with them out of pity for whatever X was

I could not guess that you meant Hisao giving the girls some pity sex. I am not familiar with that concept although I certainly know what it encompasses but do you really think virginal pity sex would be good? Or should the girls be laughing at Hisao's performance and therefore feel better about X? Now that would be pitiful for Hisao.

Though you never know, she could go nympho on you and do it 30 times.

I do not hope so, she would lose a lot of appeal to me because nympho girlfriends really take the fun out of sex and diminish the meaning that sex in a relationship has.

Besides, cpl_crud said she would not do ... certain stuff ... which would make 30 sex scenes overall quite repetitive .

[Lawls]

Besides, cpl_crud said she would not do ... certain stuff ... which would make 30 sex scenes overall quite repetitive

I really wonder how the sex is going to go since they said that they didn't want them to be porn stars. (something aura said that i quoted from memory)

i assume it would be stuff like oral, missionary,from behind. That is what i think they will do and nothing to more exciting than that

[HeMeido]

I imagine Shizune would be incredibly demanding when it comes to sex.

[guest]

I imagine Shizune would be incredibly demanding when it comes to sex.

Am I the only person who wouldn't be surprised if Shizune, instead of being demanding and dominating, would be extremely self-concious and insecure during the first time? (assuming of course, it would be her first time) The first time is usually far from perfect and Shizune's obsession with performance would make that notion very hard for her to stomach. The idea of not living up to expectations would probably be far heavier on Shizune than on someone like Emi who has a "things get better with practice"-spirit. Perfectionists tend to be even harder on themselves than they are on others.

With more experience under her belt, I can see her becoming more demanding, due to her tendency to turn even insignificant things into a competition. Since she's the hardest one to communicate with, I figure things to be complex with her in bed:

Hisao: Hey Misha, I need to know what some signs mean.
Misha: Hicchan! I thought you were taking sign classes!
Hisao: Um, they don't teach this kind of thing there. What does this (sign,sign) mean?
Misha: That means "I want to be on top now."
Hisao: Right, gotta remember that. And uh...this? (sign,sign,sign)
Misha: DOGGY STYLE!!!!!!!
Hisao: Shhh, not so loud! And this? (*sign*)
Misha: That means: "Ow! Wrong hole!"
Hisao: What kind of position is tha....oh shit!
Misha: WHAHAHAHAHA!!

[Caesius]

Am I the only person who wouldn't be surprised if Shizune, instead of being demanding and dominating, would be extremely self-concious and insecure during the first time? (assuming of course, it would be her first time) The first time is usually far from perfect and Shizune's obsession with performance would make that notion very hard for her to stomach. The idea of not living up to expectations would probably be far heavier on Shizune than on someone like Emi who has a "things get better with practice"-spirit. Perfectionists tend to be even harder on themselves than they are on others.

I think if there's any tsundere-ness to her that isn't just ignorant stereotyping, it would be during sex.

[Caesius]

I feel that I need to elaborate on my argument against pity sex.

I think that, in this story, Hisao needs to represent as ideal -- that is to say, he doesn't let such tainted motives as pity drive him. He still needs to be human, of course, and have the ability to make mistakes (even when the player doesn't make a "wrong" choice), but even if feelings of pity linger in his mind he ultimately does the right thing for the right reasons.

If a girl says something something or acts in a way that would supposedly warrant pity sex, he shouldn't have sex with them out of pity. Hell, he probably shouldn't even initiate sex at all. He should make it clear that he cares and is there for her, and if she wants, she should initiate the "thank you for being there for me" sex. If, before a scene like this, there is an option to have sex with her out of pity, it should be the wrong option -- not because of any immediate consequences, but because it would mean that Hisao thinks and acts the way he does for the wrong reasons.


Not to flaunt my pseudophilosophy or anything, but earlier tonight I had this conversation on another forum and I feel it's at least somewhat relevant (if initially silly), and was what got me thinking about this in the first place:

okay interesting tidbit. leukemia girl was apparently molested by her cousin at age 8. she told me that she wants to have her first time with me. We still havent met in person, only webcam date things. I feel as though I am over my head here. Also, I dont expect legitimate help from this forum.

do whatever u want fuk her dont fuk her w/e just remember that its not ur responsibility 2 fix hEr problems

well thanks jimmy. I want to as nice as humanly possible but I am just so confounded by how much her life sucks. Theres just nothing I can say to make her feel better. Im better off not trying, which is what I will do.

Two things:


1. Do you think you can live the rest of your life knowing you let her die a virgin?
2. Is it likely that she'll prick a hole in your condom?

lol what condom

Exactly. Like any selfish, instinctual person, the one thing she probably wants to do before she dies is pass on her genes. Even if that goal is secondary to just plain not dying a virgin, it's the next goal after losing her virginity. All she's asking is that you let her get past "not dying a virgin" and on to "getting to raise a kid" -- unless she really does want to skip right to becoming preggers, in which case the decision would probably become much less difficult.

I'm not religious, but you are (I guess?), so the whole "acting towards the greater good" and "allowing her soul to rest in peace" thing may strike a more profound chord with you. But you're still scared of taking on that responsibility; and really, it's nobody's place to say that you're obligated to take on that responsibility. But then, nobody should feel obligated to stop a rape-homicide in progress considering it might be in vain or they might get killed. (edit: puns not intended, seriously)

There are times in life where we know something is the right thing to do, but we feel we don't have the ability to do it right, so we choose not to do it -- and we come out a better person for it only if that assessment of our own abilities is honest, and not simply out of fear for the consequences.

There's the possibility that seeing this through could be the worst mistake of your life. But it could also be the best, and you might become a better person for it. Likewise for the decision not to see this through.

Everyone else in this thread will probably tell you to stay the hell away 'cause you'll just end up hurt, which may well be the case -- especially if you can't overcome your fears, or your pity towards her situation, and make the commitment to love her because you love her. If you only love her out of pity, and just want to be a white knight instead of just doing something because you feel it's the right thing to do, then continuing to love her this way will hurt you.


Edit: One last thing is that you're human. It's OK if you don't have the supernatural ability to change how you think and feel for the better. But the absolute worst thing you could do is go into or stay out of this for the wrong reasons.

[Guest]

I agree. Pity hugs are good. Pity sex is bad and goes against an important aspect of the game; the process of getting to know the girl of your liking, seeing past her handicap and developing a relationship together as peers. (a white knight relationship is not about two people who are equels since one person is the damsel-in-distress who must be saved and protected and the other is the caretaker who is in a way above the other since the damsel is dependant on the knight)

(I realize the white knight role is almost unavoidable when persuing Hanako, but I'm confident even that relationship will become more balanced as the game goes on)

[Lawls]

"thank you for being there for me" sex.

This is fine too.

[Deimos]

"thank you for being there for me" sex.

Am I too old-fashioned for not knowing that one can use sex as means of gratitude?
Is that what people want from me if they want me show appreciation?