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Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 6:19 pm
by someguy1294
Munchenhausen wrote:
someguy1294 wrote:Which is the worst disability one can have, really. She'd be much happier if she [...] had no control of her sphincter and walked around leaking farts out all day long.
It suddenly occurs to me that although it is never said that she does that, it's never said that she doesn't constantly fart.
...Next time I play KS, I am seriously going to play a fart noise on my computer every time Misha appears on screen.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:00 pm
by Kyler Thatch
For someone with no control of his or her sphincter, farts would not nearly be as big of a problem as... well, the other thing that normally comes out the back end.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 10:04 pm
by someguy1294
Kyler Thatch wrote:For someone with no control of his or her sphincter, farts would not nearly be as big of a problem as... well, the other thing that normally comes out the back end.
ZOMG! WHAT IF MISHA SECRETLY WEARS DIAPERS!?!?

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:24 am
by Liminaut
Mirage_GSM wrote:
What do we actually know?

1) She gets dizzy going up stairs
No. She tells Hisao that she gets dizzy on stairs.
There's a huge difference.
(... and a lot more good stuff I sniped ...)
I've been thinking about your reply, Mirage_GSM, and you're got some very good points.

Misha only mentions the dizziness once, so it makes a lot of sense that she is simply being duplicitious here.

That fact that Misha *can* be effectively duplicitious also headshoots and Ausberger's and related ideas.

It also means that we really can't take statements from Misha at face value, including statements like "I came to Yamaku to become a sign language interpreter." :P

We find out in Shizune's route that the Misha we know and love throughout most of KS is actually an elaborate charade, hiding the real Misha.

This is fairly cool, btw. For most of the VN Misha is a loud, brainless buffoon, and then we find out that she has a deep and sophisticated character.

Anyway, back to Misha's disability, or more generally what brought her to Yamaku.

There's some interesting Chekovian evidence that she has no disabilities. It is pointedly mentioned that Yamaku accepts students with no disabilities. That doesn't make a lot of sense unless there is a meaningful character with no disabilities in the story, and pretty much the only candidate is Misha.

Then again, the only time the pool comes up in the story is when it gets mentions as part of the school facilities, so maybe Chekov isn't the most reliable guide either.

To say that she came to Yamaku to become a sign language interpreter leads to the next question: why did she want to become a sign language interpreter? Did she have a brother that was deaf? Did she have some other disability and learning sign language was the only way to afford Yamaku? Did she have some pressing reason to leave her then-current school and sign language at Yamaku was a decent possibility?

Misha may even be duplicitous enough that the part about getting dizzy on the stairs was the absolute truth. Consider: it's absolutely established that she's willing to hide real pain in order to make things easier on the people that she cares for. It's quite possible that she does get dizzy and out of breath on stairs, and going to class every day, and going to the Shanghai, but she sucks it up most of the time. Perhaps that time on the stairway was the time she told the truth because she hadn't established that strong of a friendship with Hisao yet.

WoG just shot down any idea of mental illness for Misha, so I got nothin'. Just an appreciation for Misha as an extremely complex character.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:35 am
by Potato
Liminaut wrote:Just an appreciation for Misha as an extremely complex character.
She's a bouncy loudmouth who's secretly a depressed rejected lover. It's not that complex. :lol:

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:25 am
by Mirage_GSM
It also means that we really can't take statements from Misha at face value, including statements like "I came to Yamaku to become a sign language interpreter."
That's a bit far-fetched. You need some sort of motivation to tell a lie like that.
With the stairs she want's Hisao to do something for her, so there is motivation.
In the other scene she has no reason not to tell the truth.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 6:45 pm
by Yuyukoyay
I don't think Misha has a disability and is just telling the truth about her knowledge of sign language. She just has low blood pressure which is really the only explanation for trouble with stairs. Ear problem would be possible if she could not hear so damn well normally, so she probably has never been deaf.

A lot of people also have a habit of talking really damn loudly, so that can easily be ignored. I sometimes talk loud without realizing it and hearing is my best sense lol.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:45 am
by SpunkySix
someguy1294 wrote:
Kyler Thatch wrote:For someone with no control of his or her sphincter, farts would not nearly be as big of a problem as... well, the other thing that normally comes out the back end.
ZOMG! WHAT IF MISHA SECRETLY WEARS DIAPERS!?!?
Can you say fetish H scene?

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:48 am
by Munchenhausen
SpunkySix wrote:
someguy1294 wrote:
Kyler Thatch wrote:For someone with no control of his or her sphincter, farts would not nearly be as big of a problem as... well, the other thing that normally comes out the back end.
ZOMG! WHAT IF MISHA SECRETLY WEARS DIAPERS!?!?
Can you say fetish H scene?
I can see where this is going and it terrifies me

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:37 am
by SpunkySix
Munchenhausen wrote:
SpunkySix wrote:[Can you say fetish H scene?
I can see where this is going and it terrifies me
http://img.td-imgs.com/images/12/48/412 ... -41248.jpg

O rly?

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 3:00 pm
by someguy1294
SpunkySix wrote:
Munchenhausen wrote:
SpunkySix wrote:[Can you say fetish H scene?
I can see where this is going and it terrifies me
http://img.td-imgs.com/images/12/48/412 ... -41248.jpg

O rly?
...Yes.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 7:46 pm
by someguy1294
SpunkySix wrote:
someguy1294 wrote:
Kyler Thatch wrote:For someone with no control of his or her sphincter, farts would not nearly be as big of a problem as... well, the other thing that normally comes out the back end.
ZOMG! WHAT IF MISHA SECRETLY WEARS DIAPERS!?!?
Can you say fetish H scene?
Gimme the chocolate, Misha.

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 8:37 pm
by SpunkySix
"Oooh, take me to Cleaveland, Hisao!"

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:13 am
by forgetmenot
SpunkySix wrote:"Oooh, take me to Cleaveland, Hisao!"
Cleveland, you say?

Re: Misha's disabillity?

Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:19 am
by Comrade
Misha's lack of understanding of human communication is clearly a result of her being born on an alien planet, and during her childhood she was sent to Japan to aid the feminists