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dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:

Charmant wrote:I still haven't read that new route...But I imagine it will ruin the fanfic I planned.

Only if a) you were going to write the same thing; b) you think of it as incontrovertible canon.

Or c) people kvetching about you not sticking to quasi-canon is extraordinarily bothersome to you .

It's especially ruinous when you write something and people tell you that what you wrote seems canon to them.
That could prevent you from ever writing another fanfic...

So help me if it's ever revealed that Rin's parents aren't a part of the yakuza.

SpunkySix wrote:So help me if it's ever revealed that Rin's parents aren't a part of the yakuza.

No, they're naturalised Koreans who live on Tsushima, don't you know?
Her father is a playwright/poet and her mother is an actress.

brythain wrote:

SpunkySix wrote:So help me if it's ever revealed that Rin's parents aren't a part of the yakuza.

No, they're naturalised Koreans who live on Tsushima, don't you know?
Her father is a playwright/poet and her mother is an actress.

Funny, since I hear they're from Hiroshima .

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:

SpunkySix wrote:So help me if it's ever revealed that Rin's parents aren't a part of the yakuza.

No, they're naturalised Koreans who live on Tsushima, don't you know?
Her father is a playwright/poet and her mother is an actress.

Funny, since I hear they're from Hiroshima .

Godrinna?

*covertly opens Photoshop*

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:

SpunkySix wrote:So help me if it's ever revealed that Rin's parents aren't a part of the yakuza.

No, they're naturalised Koreans who live on Tsushima, don't you know?
Her father is a playwright/poet and her mother is an actress.

Funny, since I hear they're from Hiroshima .

Certainly explains a lot

brythain wrote:It's especially ruinous when you write something and people tell you that what you wrote seems canon to them.
That could prevent you from ever writing another fanfic...

In that case, I would try my damnedest to destroy their new canon.

My New Year canon is that Rin visits her parents' graves on the first of every year then retreats home to booze up and cry in a fetal position for hours on end in an outpouring of utter despair and survivor's guilt so powerful that it enables her to stay detached and spacey for the remainder of the year.

Valjean Lafitte wrote:

brythain wrote:

Valjean Lafitte wrote:The way I see it it's a game of pick-and-choose, where each person must decide where the line is drawn between game canon and developer opinion. For my own view of KS canon, I just choose to side with whatever Suriko's opinions are of the characters he created.

Then you'd have to treat Suriko as just another author, and that would mean that his take doesn't have to ruin your day, so have a happy new year!

Not my day, but my fic...maybe.

I PM'd the whole story-behind-the-story to you, so please check your inbox.

Don't let it ruin your fic idea If you have a story to tell, then tell it!! I mean, I've already ignored what little bit was established on Saki and nobody seems to fault me for it.

Suriko's route is nice, but if you consider that to be THE canon on Miki and Suzu then you also have to consider Aura's take on Mutou and Hisao as canon...

Actually got a few new headcanons after new year and a few inspiration from the 'random discussion' board.

During new year's shrine visit, the girls would wear their kimonos. Lilly's color sports a golden-brown color with a white lilly-esque hairpin, Hanako would sport a patterned dark blue one with her hair tied to a bun with a pin that was passed from her grandmother (a memento of sorts). Emi wears an apple green one, while Rin opted for casuals because she thinks it's a hassle. Shizune would bring out a bright red one that was passed down from her mother, while Misha will have a peach-colored one with a golden lining

Hisao wears his swaggervest. With winter coat.


...but since they're living in dormitories, they'd all probably go casual.

*note: summer yukatas and Kimonos are different.

Eurobeatjester wrote:Suriko's route is nice, but if you consider that to be THE canon on Miki and Suzu then you also have to consider Aura's take on Mutou and Hisao as canon...

Nah, that's not quite logical. Aura wrote his eight pieces as 'writing exercises'. Suriko expressly stated this was non-canon. The others all have different takes on the canonicity (or lack thereof) of their writings, but all agree that they aren't canon. Even if X considers one such piece Y to be canon, the rest need not follow in canonicity. But at that point, it's X's headcanon, and X is welcome to whatever headcanon X chooses to believe in.

In my view that simply doesn't follow, regardless of what Suriko said about his story being on the same level of canon as Pedagogy. Pedagogy was clearly meant to be taken as a joke, whereas Miki's route is, as stated by Suriko, based on ideas he had during development of KS. Being the creator of Miki, I think he's in a good place to tell us about her, even in "fanfic" form. Pedagogy, on the other hand, was never meant to be taken seriously, and is too at odds with the game to even be considered semi-canon.

But if we still use Pedagogy to put all other dev fiction on the same level of fan fiction, then we should also disregard the canonicity of the Class 3-3 picture that told us Suzu and most of the class' names to begin with. According to Aura it wasn't meant to be canon, but he admitted a decent argument could be made for that position because...Suriko is the one who made the image. Which takes us back to square one. If we accept nothing outside of the game as canon, then Suzu, Haruhiko, Molly, Taro, etc., don't really have "canon" disabilities, or even names for that matter.

Valjean Lafitte wrote:IBut if we still use Pedagogy to put all other dev fiction on the same level of fan fiction, then we should also disregard the canonicity of the Class 3-3 picture that told us Suzu and most of the class' names to begin with. According to Aura it wasn't meant to be canon, but he admitted a decent argument could be made for that position because...Suriko is the one who made the image. Which takes us back to square one. If we accept nothing outside of the game as canon, then Suzu, Haruhiko, Molly, Taro, etc., don't really have "canon" disabilities, or even names for that matter.

I said nothing about accepting nothing outside the game as canon, though. Compare the 3-3 image with the Miki route: Suriko doesn't disavow the first but expressly disavows the second. In fact, Suriko says explicitly that it is based on a 'dusted off' 'old scenario plan' and implicitly that it's not to be bitched about re 'canon' because it's in the fanfic section. Silentcook's later edit (go back to the first page here to see) removes any hint that the Miki route is canonical in any way. However, as with some people and Scissorlips' Suzu pseudo route, you're quite welcome to treat it as headcanon.

Summary: if plausibly canon and not disavowed (plus has dev support for some canonicity), then status is ambiguous; if unambiguously disavowed, then unambiguously not canon.

This is why we're discussing it in the headcanon thread.

brythain wrote:

Valjean Lafitte wrote:IBut if we still use Pedagogy to put all other dev fiction on the same level of fan fiction, then we should also disregard the canonicity of the Class 3-3 picture that told us Suzu and most of the class' names to begin with. According to Aura it wasn't meant to be canon, but he admitted a decent argument could be made for that position because...Suriko is the one who made the image. Which takes us back to square one. If we accept nothing outside of the game as canon, then Suzu, Haruhiko, Molly, Taro, etc., don't really have "canon" disabilities, or even names for that matter.

I said nothing about accepting nothing outside the game as canon, though. Compare the 3-3 image with the Miki route: Suriko doesn't disavow the first but expressly disavows the second. In fact, Suriko says explicitly that it is based on a 'dusted off' 'old scenario plan' and implicitly that it's not to be bitched about re 'canon' because it's in the fanfic section. Silentcook's later edit (go back to the first page here to see) removes any hint that the Miki route is canonical in any way. However, as with some people and Scissorlips' Suzu pseudo route, you're quite welcome to treat it as headcanon.

Summary: if plausibly canon and not disavowed (plus has dev support for some canonicity), then status is ambiguous; if unambiguously disavowed, then unambiguously not canon.

This is why we're discussing it in the headcanon thread.

I just can't put Suriko's headcanon, if you want to call it that, on the same level as Scissorlips'. Scissorlips had nothing to do with the creation of those characters, whereas Suriko did; that's why I hold it to a much higher degree of canonicity. Even if the man himself denies it's canon, it's still representative of "his" Miki, and in my opinion that ought to count for something.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

Valjean Lafitte wrote:I just can't put Suriko's headcanon, if you want to call it that, on the same level as Scissorlips'. Scissorlips had nothing to do with the creation of those characters, whereas Suriko did; that's why I hold it to a much higher degree of canonicity. Even if the man himself denies it's canon, it's still representative of "his" Miki, and in my opinion that ought to count for something.

I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

On the point about Suriko vs Scissorlips, I agree in one specific way. It's Suriko's headcanon and thus reflective (even at some remove) from what was being thought during the gestation period. It would be expected to tie in a little more closely in some ways with how the other characters turned out in canon. However, I always remind myself of what kinds of other glimpses we've seen (no, I'm not specifying where or what) of that process (also having read through the entire Ask thread before), because that shows how tenuous the link can be.

So yes, it does count for something, to me. But it'll take me time to see how much it should count when compared with explicit canon. Cheers!

Something weird happened when I played Shizune's route--I started thinking of her as being a much sadder, lonelier person than perhaps she was intended to come across as, and I can't get rid of that perception, or shake the feeling that even after her good ending, she still had a lot to work through. During the scenes where you meet her dad and learn more about her childhood, I was having feels way out of line with the surface emotions of that part of the story. The parts with her dad were funny, but I'd get really weirdly emotional after them.

I'm not sure if this is at all in line with what was intended, but I started thinking of her as someone desperate to be loved (not necessarily romantically, just any kind of love) who can't figure out how to express it because her childhood basically never taught her how to communicate with anyone and she never had anybody who showed her genuine affection.