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Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:16 pm
by Potato
SpunkySix wrote:Or Kenji.
Get out.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 8:21 pm
by Megumeru
SpunkySix wrote:
Potato wrote:
Guest Poster wrote:Seeing that the track captain was gay, I doubt he'd even start a relationship with Emi
Sadly, we do live in a world where it's not unheard of for gays to conceal their sexuality to the extent of hooking up with an opposite-sex partner as a cover...

But if it's not him, then it's just some unmentioned nobody so whatevs. :lol:
Or Kenji.
There's a backstory in almost all the routes that implies Kenji's past relation with Yuko and how he eventually came up with his feminist conspiracy theory. (Funny thing is, Kenji doesn't even know what feminism is generally (equality of women), though he might be impliying about extreme feminists (women superior than men))

But anw, it is a possibility, but unlikely.

...did Kenji ever warned Hisao about Emi? I believe he did, but he doesn't seem to imply if he had a relationship with her previously.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:47 pm
by SpunkySix
Oh believe me, I highly doubt it too. He most likely was with Yuuko and I... can't imagine Emi... dating... him. At all.

He warns Hisao that Emi is pretty high up in the feminist ranks, and he thinks that Rin is a dude at first.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:08 pm
by dewelar
SpunkySix wrote:Oh believe me, I highly doubt it too. He most likely was with Yuuko and I... can't imagine Emi... dating... him. At all.

He warns Hisao that Emi is pretty high up in the feminist ranks, and he thinks that Rin is a dude at first.
Not that I believe it either, but I admit there's enough circumstantial evidence to build a case if you were so inclined. Remember that Kenji also says that Emi has "taken down" better men than Hisao, but won't say who, and calls HIsao "cold" when he doubts him.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:16 pm
by Potato
Megumeru wrote:There's a backstory in almost all the routes that implies Kenji's past relation with Yuko and how he eventually came up with his feminist conspiracy theory. (Funny thing is, Kenji doesn't even know what feminism is generally (equality of women), though he might be implying about extreme feminists (women superior than men))

But anw, it is a possibility, but unlikely.

...did Kenji ever warn Hisao about Emi? I believe he did, but he doesn't seem to imply if he had a relationship with her previously.
Seems to me Kenji knows pretty well what feminism is, actually. :lol: "Equality of women" is one half of gender equality. Feminism is one-sided garbage even in name so the extremists are technically the only ones actually practicing feminism.

And I think Kenji warns Hisao about them all in some way or another.

I wonder who at 4LS devised the Kenji/Yuuko backstory...

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2014 10:57 pm
by Megumeru
Potato wrote: Seems to me Kenji knows pretty well what feminism is, actually. :lol: "Equality of women" is one half of gender equality. Feminism is one-sided garbage even in name so the extremists are technically the only ones actually practicing feminism.

And I think Kenji warns Hisao about them all in some way or another.

I wonder who at 4LS devised the Kenji/Yuuko backstory...
Not exactly. The feminist movement itself started way back since 18th-19th century, which is mostly a cry about how women are to be treated equally as men (application on same jobs, same payment wage, rights to vote, etc.). It was a cry of gender equality; it's the core concept of the movement, which is why there are men who are 'feminist'.

It wasn't until the 20th century(?) when the extremists shows up and associated itself with the movement, crying gender superiority in contrast to the core concept--gender equality. Since then, association of feminism has been mistakenly associsted with the extremist.

Kenji's concept of feminism basically revolves around the extrimists' feminism. What's funny is that Hisao approves the concept of gender equality (treating his partner fairly), making him a 'feminist'--technically.

Which means Kenji is actually friends with a feminist.


Ah, and I mean if he tells Hisao any lead or hints that he had a prior relationship with Emi. There's this crazy theory I have that Kenji actually had a relationship with ALL the heroines and it wasn't until he goes out with Emi did he develop that anti-feminist antics, shaman eyes, and wacky conspiracy claims--that, and he seemed tl be pretty knowledgable of the personality of the heroines to a degree.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:26 am
by Potato
Megumeru wrote:[stuff]


Ah, and I mean if he tells Hisao any lead or hints that he had a prior relationship with Emi. There's this crazy theory I have that Kenji actually had a relationship with ALL the heroines and it wasn't until he goes out with Emi did he develop that anti-feminist antics, shaman eyes, and wacky conspiracy claims--that, and he seemed tl be pretty knowledgable of the personality of the heroines to a degree.
Well, that sure was a history lesson that means nothing.

I dunno. I think if anyone drove Kenji off the edge of sanity, it'd have been Lilly or Rin...Or Yuuko but that's too obvious. He does seem to know too much about them all but that could just be from espionage missions.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:29 am
by AaronIsCrunchy
Potato wrote:
Megumeru wrote:[stuff]


Ah, and I mean if he tells Hisao any lead or hints that he had a prior relationship with Emi. There's this crazy theory I have that Kenji actually had a relationship with ALL the heroines and it wasn't until he goes out with Emi did he develop that anti-feminist antics, shaman eyes, and wacky conspiracy claims--that, and he seemed tl be pretty knowledgable of the personality of the heroines to a degree.
Well, that sure was a history lesson that means nothing.

I dunno. I think if anyone drove Kenji off the edge of sanity, it'd have been Lilly or Rin...Or Yuuko but that's too obvious. He does seem to know too much about them all but that could just be from espionage missions.
I thought it was Yuuko's 'fault', something to do with falling asleep/lethargy after sexytimes. He felt that Yuuko was draining his power (completely disregarding the fact she's... well... Yuuko), put lots of 'research' and stuff in, and then 'concluded' that it is a conspiracy.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:31 am
by SpunkySix
So basically he got sleepy after he did Yuuko and came to the realization that... it clearly had to be her fault?

See, this is why Kenji is a funny character, right here. That's downright absurd.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 2:43 am
by Potato
AaronIsCrunchy wrote:I thought it was Yuuko's 'fault', something to do with falling asleep/lethargy after sexytimes. He felt that Yuuko was draining his power (completely disregarding the fact she's... well... Yuuko), put lots of 'research' and stuff in, and then 'concluded' that it is a conspiracy.
That's the story, yeah. Never mind that sex involves physical exertion so a nap or lethargy afterward is pretty much status quo. :lol:

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 4:49 am
by Guest Poster
Kenji was probably already off his rocker before his bout of sex with whoever he was "seeing".

He does warn Hisao about Emi. In fact, he has a panic reaction when Hisao mentions her. (on the morning of the festival) He warns Hisao about Emi's lethal flying tackles, which might actually have been the sanest reason for avoiding a girl Kenji's ever uttered.

Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Kenji/Yuuko was an ascended meme. Kenji and Yuuko were two of the few characters with a portrait in the Act 1 demo, so following its "pair the spares"-tendencies, the fanbase quickly connected Kenji's lethargy-after-sex rant to Yuuko.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:09 am
by d2r
Guest Poster wrote:Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Kenji/Yuuko was an ascended meme. Kenji and Yuuko were two of the few characters with a portrait in the Act 1 demo, so following its "pair the spares"-tendencies, the fanbase quickly connected Kenji's lethargy-after-sex rant to Yuuko.
AFAIK, there is no actual material in the VN which suggests the two were a couple; it's all fan theory

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 5:10 am
by Potato
Guest Poster wrote:Kenji was probably already off his rocker before his bout of sex with whoever he was "seeing".
Oh, absolutely. No sane person jumps from "Boy, I'm tired." to "THIS CRAZY BITCH DRAINED MY LIFE ENERGY IT'S A CONSPIRACY!". :lol:

@d2r: There's enough to suggest it. Just nothing that explicitly confirms it.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 11:38 am
by Guest Poster
Which was probably completely on purpose.

Re: Liking Shizune but not enjoying her route?

Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:13 pm
by Umber
Guest Poster wrote:Which was probably completely on purpose.
If you expected anything else from 4LS, you thought wrong. Fanbase engagement is best created by way of speculation.