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Rivinhal wrote:

Geroaergaroe wrote:

Rivinhal wrote:sorry to dbl post, but nvm.. I figured it out.. why the fuck does humoring shinji's crazy ass matter so much?!?!? enough to change from the good to bad ending???? wtf??

Well, I did humor him, yet i did get the good ending. I suppose you did another mistake around the path.

I can't figure out what it was.... I told the truth and was honest all the time, and I chose all the Hanako routes, actually naturally.. But I humored him and got the bad ending.. Then I just went back and ignored it and got the good ending.. so idk.. You are probably right, because i think it takes 2 bad choices to get a bad ending, but I cannot for the life of me figure it out.. damn this heartbreaking story.. I was so sure I was going to get the good ending... then BAM Credits. I won't even lie.. I straight cried. The writers are like a bunch of evil geniuses or something' because even after I changed it, I still thought I got a bad ending or neutral or some shit until she walked in the hospital room lol..

Honestly, I cried too. Even if i did get the good ending on the first try. I think i did a whole set of rage comic figure while playing.
Pretty much like :
Lilly's farewell scene : Forever Alone
The failed pursue scene when you have a heartattack : Rageguy
Credit page : Fuck yeah.

And I bet Suriko did quite a trollface when she decided to put the bad and good ending on the very same plot, withthat awesome twist in the end. She managed to keep away worthless cliche, and keep those who added a true feeling to the story. That, plus the artist team that did an awesome job. Akira in her suit holding her beer can, and the hugging scene in the wheat field are truely jewels.

If KS was a ring, I feel like Lilly path should be the perfectly cutted Diamond that ornate it.

Am I the only person who was disapointed by Lillys route?

The writing didn't seem as clear as the writing for Emi's route (though that may have been because I was reading it at 4am doped up on painkillers), and it had a massive cliche in it. The second I read about Lilly's summons to Scotland, I was thinking 'I hope this doesn't lead to the last-minute airport dash'.

It was nice, but it just didn't seem as polished as Emi's route. Can't talk about the other routes yet, as I havn't played them.

The story didn't have to be completely original, it was still very well done. If nothing else, the characters were so well-made that even if the plot by itself doesn't appeal to the player, it would still be enjoyable to read about how Hisao and Lilly would act in that type of story. Pretty much everything has been done already, completely original plots are going to dry up sooner or later. Look at the Avatar movie that came out a couple of years ago (the one with blue space aliens). Its plot wasn't original in the slightest, but most people gave it great reviews anyway because the characters and setting were interesting.

lurch wrote:Am I the only person who was disapointed by Lillys route?

The writing didn't seem as clear as the writing for Emi's route (though that may have been because I was reading it at 4am doped up on painkillers), and it had a massive cliche in it. The second I read about Lilly's summons to Scotland, I was thinking 'I hope this doesn't lead to the last-minute airport dash'.

It was nice, but it just didn't seem as polished as Emi's route. Can't talk about the other routes yet, as I havn't played them.

I still say that objectively speaking, this was the best well written. The thing is that I never expected the game to be entirely cliche free. I expected the game to turn a lot of cliches on their heads, sure, and it did, but not to be without cliches. Even with the mad airport dash, it still was a bit different form what one normally sees. I for one, found that the thing that held him back being his heart was a fresh choice.

I humored Kenji and talked about school instead of Hanako, but I still got the good end. Has anyone tried to work out which choices affect what yet?

Wow.
This was amazing. Very lachrymatory ending.
Well done. It made me really happy.

Geroaergaroe wrote: And I bet Suriko did quite a trollface when she decided to put the bad and good ending on the very same plot, withthat awesome twist in the end. She managed to keep away worthless cliche, and keep those who added a true feeling to the story. ...

Hint: Suriko is male.

Am I the only person who was disapointed by Lillys route?

I wasn't really disappointed by it, but compared to the other routes of KS I thought it was one of the weaker ones. I'd rank it as fourth. There are some issues regarding Lilly's relationship with her family that should have been adressed, and I thought Lilly was a bit of a bitch, starting a relationship with Hisao, knowing full well she would be leaving for Scotland permanently soon and not telling him about it at all.

I've always been bad at deciding what qualifies as a spoiler, so I'm just going to spoiler tag anything that is even remotely spoilery (or whatever the adjective is for possessing the qualities of a spoiler).

I intentionally went for the bad end first; I like to get it out of the way so that I can end on a happy note. I managed to successfully do so, and then, I made the choices that I was fairly confident would lead to the good end. I was sorely dismayed upon realizing that everything was the same; I figured that I must have made some mistake somewhere, but then, instead of going to credits, the story progressed to the next scene. I enjoyed that moment very much.

In any case, Lilly was my favorite, and having now completed 100% of the game, I can safely say that it has remained that way.

I was also going to point out that Suriko is male, but upon review it would appear that Mirage has already done so.

I liked this path, all in all. The thing that stands out to me is that it's less like Hisao's Lilly route and more like Lilly's Hisao route; when it comes down to it, Hisao did all of the development and growth, while Lilly was comparatively a static character. She had her shit together, but Hisao didn't, so she helped him. Your actions are less about helping Lilly and more guiding Hisao into a position to properly receive help, and at the end, he starts to return the favor. It's very much the inverse of the typical visual novel route, and I enjoyed it for that.

I finished Lilly's route a few hours ago.

While the path is well-written and overall rather pleasant, I was a bit surprised (not exactly pleasantly) by how much effort was seemingly put in de-Mary-Suing Lilly, and by "cliche'ness" (which, while acceptable, was slightly too noticeable) of some moments in her path.

First of all, I sometimes had the feeling that some of Lilly's reactions and actions (such as her apparent like for wine despite being "Japanese Underage", as well as her being the epitome of a non-morning person) were done just to avoid the seeming Mary Sue'ness Lilly was threatened with during her creation. However, mostly, I was greatly pleased by how well Lilly was written and I have to hand it to the devs that they have done a good, nay, great job.

As for the cliche part... The possibility of a loved one leaving to return to the country where her family is and thus being separated forever from the protagonist leaving is cliche. The last minute airport dash is the ultimate cliche... Given that he could've called EITHER Akira or Lilly to simply have them postpone their leaving of Shizune's house or them taking flight (as I can quite easily understand how he didn't want to pour his heart out for her over the phone). This is ESPECIALLY true for Hisao, who ran half of the way and got into a crowd where anyone could just bump into him, and we all know how great his health is. It'd only be more cliche if he ran over to Lilly despite his heart attack. Introducing him losing consciousness and the possibility of losing Lilly anyway was a good move and it helped, also being extremely emotional. I actually believed I am getting the bad ending here and I've done something wrong, first because Hisao was seemingly dying at the airport, second because Lilly wasn't there when he woke up at hospital.

I will say that I am a bit surprised at how little Hisao can apparently do to ruin their relationship, however. The amount of choices that seemed to matter was minimal, the only vital ones being apparently those concerning showing care for Hanako and being honest with Lilly (as Lilly apparently has a sixth sense about someone approaching and a seventh sense about other people lying. The Force is strong with this one). The weird part is, once you're on Lilly's route, it is simply assumed Hisao naturally falls in love and other than screwing up, there is no way to stop the relationship! Sure, nobody would take the option other than to achieve 100% completion, but I believe in all of the routes we should at least have a chance to deny having feelings for a particular girl (or maybe a last-minute switch that leads to a different or bad ending).

I am also surprised at Lilly going half-nymphomaniac on Hisao after just having confessed his feelings for him. She didn't strike me as that type. However, it was a pleasant surprise. I'm also pleased by how despite their overall good and quite mature attitude towards sex, Lilly and Hisao still managed to get the protagonist a heart attack through doing it in the wrong way. Shows how his health is not something they can ignore.
I am, however, a bit displeased that there was little we could choose to do about Hanako and how I practically missed the fact that it was apparently Hisao who helped her gain that shade of confidence she now has.

Overall, I'm glad I went with my favorite choice as my first girl instead of last. Lilly was inspiring and now I even find myself wanting to try Shizune's route to learn more about her feud with Lilly, as it is never completely explained in the blind' blonde's route. It's also pleasing to see how Lilly stays as the overallmature girl with some moments of weakness and childishness, while it's Hisao and Hanako who do most of the growth.

Overall, I rate it with 4 points on the scale seen above, 9 hearts out of ten (<3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3), 87/100 points, I don't know, you get my drift. Overall, very well but it had a few dissapointments. I still believe it may be the best route, but I'll hold my judgement. I will also say I am extremely pleased to have completed it!

Notguest wrote:I humored Kenji and talked about school instead of Hanako, but I still got the good end. Has anyone tried to work out which choices affect what yet?

I've done that as well. I wasn't even aware not humoring Kenji could have a negative outcome. As for the train conversation, I talked about Hanako just to be safe. Overall, it appears choices regarding being honest to Lilly are top priority, choices regarding Hanako (such as trying to keep her privacy and talking about her on the train) are second and all other choices are last regarding their positive and negative effects.

lurch wrote:Am I the only person who was disapointed by Lillys route?

The writing didn't seem as clear as the writing for Emi's route (though that may have been because I was reading it at 4am doped up on painkillers), and it had a massive cliche in it. The second I read about Lilly's summons to Scotland, I was thinking 'I hope this doesn't lead to the last-minute airport dash'.

It was nice, but it just didn't seem as polished as Emi's route. Can't talk about the other routes yet, as I havn't played them.

I actually liked the seeming little makover Emi has gotten for the final version and what little of her we see in Lilly's route, so I may give her a shot, especially as some people seem to greatly appreciate her route.

As for the cliches... It's a romance story, for all of our sakes, they're not completely avoidable. It still avoided kissing in the rain, having Hanako become jealous, having Hisao think too much of an ex, having Hisao defeat his illness throgh sheer force of will at a crucial moment, and done a great deal at how it handled the protagonist's last minute decision of trying to make Lilly stay. I think it was quite good overall. Not perfect (nothing is, I always avoid maximum and minimum ratings whenever possible), but still very good.

Since I doubt I'll ever go for 100% game completion, can someone tell me what are the other endings for Lilly's route?
I think mine was the best one possible (Lilly visits him in a hospital, stays in Japan and they say farewell to Akira on a field of grass before Hisao makes his internal monologue about future), but of course having not seen the others I am not 100% sure.

Mirage_GSM wrote: I thought Lilly was a bit of a bitch, starting a relationship with Hisao, knowing full well she would be leaving for Scotland permanently soon and not telling him about it at all.

I might have read it wrong, but I got the impression that she found out about that not on the first trip to Scotland, but a while afterward, sometime between the vacation up North and Akira mentioning that she was getting a new job there. Like the first trip was a 'trial run' of having her back, and some time afterwards her parents got Akira to tell her to come back as well when they contacted her regarding a new job. Reading it that way, I saw Lilly not telling Hisao as a serious mistake, but one born from her reluctance to be a burden on someone even when withholding will just make things worse in the long run, a character flaw she and Hisao share in this route.

If you read it correctly, her actions are less understandable, but I'm reasonably confident that I read it right, since her attitude shift only occurred some time after the vacation, and it doesn't seem in character for her to do a whole "I don't want to lose you" confession if she knew for certain that she would lose him in a short time.

Lndbcn wrote:I might have read it wrong, but I got the impression that she found out about that not on the first trip to Scotland, but a while afterward, sometime between the vacation up North and Akira mentioning that she was getting a new job there.

Lilly Act IV - Context:

Akira wrote:"When our folks old me that when we were at their place, though, they also gave Lilly a summons to rejoin them in Inverness."

I also missed a reason for exactly why their parents would want Lilly to rejoin them. It's not like anything about Lilly's condition has changed...

I also missed a reason for exactly why their parents would want Lilly to rejoin them. It's not like anything about Lilly's condition has changed...

I think they want Lilly to rejoin them because she is now an almost fully grown lady and she can make good figure for the family. They no longer think she's an hindrance for their family(blindness). Something like that.

Sorry for my fail english :'(.

I just finished Lilly's route with the good end...

...I feel like a blasphemer for saying this but...I liked it better than Hanako's route.

I'm serious. And I am a major Hanako fan. But...there's just something about Lilly's route that's just BETTER. Maybe it's the fact that it's on a happier note. Maybe it's the fact that the H-Scene wasn't as forced. Maybe it's the fact that Lilly's route managed to draw out a lot of emotions in me rather than just happiness and sadness. This was probably the funniest route I've played. I would just randomly go back and watch "A Brief History of Thyme". It somehow still manages to make me laugh every time I see it X3.

This route was perfect, everything about it. It felt like a real relationship that truly had its ups and downs, yet in the end came out all right.

In tune with a lot of the other posters, my heart was racing thinking I got the neutral or bad ending. But, everything turned out ok :3.

Congrats Lilly...it wasn't easy to do...but you did it. You replaced Hanako as my favorite character. I love you.

Rivan wrote:I am also surprised atLilly going half-nymphomaniac on Hisao after just having confessed his feelings for him. She didn't strike me as that type. However, it was a pleasant surprise. I'm also pleased by how despite their overall good and quite mature attitude towards sex, Lilly and Hisao still managed to get the protagonist a heart attack through doing it in the wrong way. Shows how his health is not something they can ignore.

I would agree with you, but I gave it some thought. It's entirely possible that her blindness contributes to her being a bit more sexually wanting. Now I'm not blind nor do I have any friends who are, or any reasoning to back it up. It's just a theory I have. Not being able to see anything to make her sexually excited might drive her sex drive up a bit more than a normal person. Plus, it's entirely possible that her emotions for Hisao were just so pent up that she felt it was the best way to show her love. As I've said myself before, sex is the ultimate form of affection...if done right. And it was done right.

...And this is coming from a virgin >_>

Mirage_GSM wrote:Lilly Act IV - Context:

Akira wrote:"When our folks old me that when we were at their place, though, they also gave Lilly a summons to rejoin them in Inverness."

I also missed a reason for exactly why their parents would want Lilly to rejoin them. It's not like anything about Lilly's condition has changed...

Yeah, just rechecked that scene myself. I guess you're right, though it really jars with the whole 'not wanting Hisao to leave' theme of the confession, and the way her attitude towards talking about the future only seemed to change later. It just feels like a weird inconsistency.

I just figured they wanted her back because she had become capable of a certain amount of independence, and wouldn't hinder their business by needing help or attention.