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Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:20 am
by Caesius
It's not just because it's an eroge. Sex is a serious bonding act, and unless you're a conservative writer writing for a conservative audience there's no reason to describe the act in detail to bring the reader even closer to the characters and bring out even more character development. Straight-up porn isn't tasteful because it's planned, unrealistic, and exists simply for the fulfillment of sexual desires -- there's no bonding with or personality to the actors/characters. But if done properly, a detailed yet tasteful description of the act of sex is possible, and why not take on that challenge?

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:50 am
by Pimmy
...That's not quite what I meant. You're possibly overthinking my response. I'm saying "there will be nudity because it's an eroge, if that bothers you toggle it off", not "it's an eroge so the sex scenes can't be meaningful"

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 5:19 am
by Duo2Cuo
I just got finished playing all the routes in Yume Miru Kusuri and it reminded me of one important thing that relates to the topic.

YES

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:58 am
by Envy
SirMax wrote:I dunno. A lot of the doujins I read have kissing...
There's plenty of kissing if you think jamming your tongue down her throat is kissing.

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3705/mujin08120592.jpg - Worksafe example, just a rather large picture)

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 7:52 am
by Synoptic
Insightfull and detailed conversations here, thumbs up but we're missing the main point.

As the thread title says, Are the hentai scenes important?... concerning KS,that is.
Considering all that was said so far, Yes or No? (and maybe a reason?)

I say:

Yes - character development 75%, fap and curiosity 25% lol

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 9:32 am
by SirMax
Envy wrote:
SirMax wrote:I dunno. A lot of the doujins I read have kissing...
There's plenty of kissing if you think jamming your tongue down her throat is kissing.

(http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/3705/mujin08120592.jpg - Worksafe example, just a rather large picture)
no I mean like, proper kissing and such. Then again, I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers doujins that don't involve rape, incest, lolicon, or guro, so maybe I have a skewed set of examples.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:38 pm
by Seroanth
Important... Well, to portray and emphasize the love between two people, yes. To advance the plot, maybe. To be there for the sole purpose of reaching out to a certain part of the public? No.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:51 pm
by Aura
Envy wrote:Seriously, Japan. What the fuck? I have, like, two doujins in my massive collection depicting realistic sex and both are P4 Yukiko doujins.
Do share

edit: probably through PM

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 2:11 pm
by Blue123
SirMax wrote: no I mean like, proper kissing and such. Then again, I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers doujins that don't involve rape, incest, lolicon, or guro, so maybe I have a skewed set of examples.
Nah, the people who like that kind of thing generally always blab about it, creating the illusion.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:05 pm
by SirMax
Blue123 wrote:
SirMax wrote: no I mean like, proper kissing and such. Then again, I seem to be the only person in the world who prefers doujins that don't involve rape, incest, lolicon, or guro, so maybe I have a skewed set of examples.
Nah, the people who like that kind of thing generally always blab about it, creating the illusion.
I mean more based on the content available. From what I've seen, supply and demand would suggest that those are what people like...

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 3:35 pm
by Blue123
SirMax wrote:[
I mean more based on the content available. From what I've seen, supply and demand would suggest that those are what people like...
You should probably try to find an new content provider, then.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 4:10 pm
by SirMax
Blue123 wrote:
SirMax wrote:[
I mean more based on the content available. From what I've seen, supply and demand would suggest that those are what people like...
You should probably try to find an new content provider, then.
This is based on multiple providers of such things.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 3:58 am
by Eternal _eyes
Hm... Personally I'd have to say that with or without h-scenes KS is wondrous, I'd play it without aseasily as with.
Still, for the sake of argument, I don't see any reason why h-scenes should be excluded, certainly not if the attention to detail/etc. that was shown in act 1 is perused for them.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:37 pm
by sifian
My Lovely Ghost Kana is one of the best examples I can think of how sex can strengthen a story. I'm at a loss to describe why it's so important (other than the fact that there wouldn't be a whole lot of story without the sex), but there is a very emotionally powerful scene at the end of vol. 1 that had nothing to do with sex in and of itself, but I don't think it would have nearly as much impact if they weren't sexually intimate. You can get what's translated of the manga at http://www.mangaworld.org/projects/kana.html

Another example of warm-fuzzy manga sex is Koibana Onsen. It's about a honeymoon resort and the people who staff it. You can find that one on mangafox.

Re: Are the hentai scenes important

Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2009 1:58 am
by FuriousPineapple
Before this thread dies I'll make a slightly off-topic comment, as it doesn't warrant it's own thread. As far as the sex scenes go, I'll guess it's realized that the BGM is very important. No one has mentioned it yet (as far as I've seen) that the music can make or break any scene. It seems to me that the music and composers are underestimated and overlooked at least outside the dev team.

tl;dr MAKE THE SEX SOUND PRETTY!