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Sea wrote:The Most Surprising Thing – by griffon8
Whaaaaat? Another one of mine?
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Re: Yamaku Book Club (Now Reading: The most suprising thing)

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Alright, its that time, thanks for all the suggestions for fics, Ive got 4 in the queue right now and one I'm not sure about, the definition was:
bhtooefr wrote:Hisao has a heart attack that was actually triggered by Hanako's... explosion, and then Hanako dragged him to Nurse (injuring herself in the process), and took care of him as "revenge".
Anyone remember that one? Throw me a link if possible, and the meeting may begin!
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It's a very pleasantly written para-route; a route involving two main characters other than Hisao, from inception to climax. I like chess. I like Hanako and Shizune. Although there is a line in the infamous epilogue that goes something like 'Shizune is exited by this'. I laughed because it could have meant 'outed' but it was only a typo. :D
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Well, I suppose my first port of call is the formatting of this story; the three-sectioned layout covering three different but ultimately converging time periods is not only a novel idea but adds to the mystery of the plot arc. It's kind of like completing a puzzle, where the pieces you select alternately belong the edges (20 minutes ago), corners (just now) and the middle (two months ago), resulting in three frontiers of narrative that all meet in the middle by the end. Also, I'd have to reread to be sure, but it occured to me near the end that the perspective on the three time periods may have been different? Yes, I would say that the two months ago sections are from Shizune's point of view while the 20 minutes ago/just now sections are Hanako's. Also a novel idea, and well hidden until the defining moment at the end.

The story itself was rather heartwarming. Seeing that it was written pre-release means I'll give some inaccuracies a pass over, though Misha's boyfriend has the most un-Japanese sounding Japanese name ever. I mean, it's probably a legit name but it sounds... odd. Even if I hadn't known the trajectory of the narrative arc, the recurring element of the closet would have hinted at it well enough. Given that the Shizune x Hanako pairing is so uncommon, I must give credit where credit is due for weaving a plausible situation in which it might occur. That being said, the end chapter detailing their intercourse was rather superfluous, serving only to cheapen the story. If one considers the two separate works, then you'd have a good pairing story and a passable fapfic, as opposed to a good story with a distasteful ending.

When considering the story without its closing chapter, it stands as a much better work. Seeing how the concept and format work together to craft this lovely little story is, to me, the most surprising thing about it.
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Well, that certainly is an unlikely pairing, but it does work surprisingly well.

Obviously, the bits about Hanako's mother and Misha stealing Hanako's boyfriend don't work at all, given the release... although it made things a bit weak that Hanako didn't really hold it against Misha. And, Shizune's father in this one sure ain't Jigoro, although Jigoro does seem to be the type to not give a damn about homosexuality, because he's too busy ranting about work ethics and glue huffing and fashion.

Shizune being the bully makes sense, although in canon, she doesn't quite seem to get this until near the end of her own route.

The format is also quite interesting, although it gives away the ending too quickly. I mean, it's rather obvious even from early on that Hanako and Shizune are playing strip chess.
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Not a bad little story. I wish it contained fewer of the things that I hate about bad fanfics (coinflip sexual orientation, unnecessary H-scene, hurt-comfort relationship building), but I think it was generally good enough to overcome that and allow me to enjoy it.
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bhtooefr wrote:Hisao has a heart attack that was actually triggered by Hanako's... explosion, and then Hanako dragged him to Nurse (injuring herself in the process), and took care of him as "revenge".
Anyone remember that one?
I know I've read that one (twice - it's one I like quite a bit), but I don't think it was on the Renai. I also remember having a devil of a time finding it when I went Googling.
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Coinflip sexual orientation? I think I know where you're going with that, but can you expand, please?
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bhtooefr wrote:Coinflip sexual orientation? I think I know where you're going with that, but can you expand, please?
It means that there's no real hint in the story that either of them is anything other than heterosexual until they confess to each other. For me, it feels like "I flipped a coin, and today I am bisexual!"
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The Most Surprising Thing is what I call a "Golden Age" fic, since it was obviously written before the full game was released. That isn't a bad thing, necessarily; the quality of β-fics isn't significantly lower than the quality of post-release fics (and among the β-fics there aren't any BEFFs,* which would ultimately turn out to be the very worst kind of Katawa Shoujo fanfic intended for public consumption.) The thing is, though, that in order to enjoy this fic, you basically need to be conscientious of the fact that this story takes place not in a Divergence but in literally a complete alternate universe.

To fully enjoy this fic, you need to keep the following things in mind about the AU:

• Hanako's backstory is completely different. Rather than being raised in an orphanage, she was raised by a single mother, and the bullying she suffers is happening in the present, rather than the distant past. This has a significant impact on her personality; she's quite a bit more assertive and sociable as a result of her somewhat happier upbringing.
• Shizune's backstory has changed slightly. Instead of Jigoro, she has two parents who empathize more deeply with her and have a greater degree of concern for her well being. She's also not Lilly's cousin in this AU, and is bisexual.
• Misha isn't a lesbian in this story, or at least doesn't have an upwelling of angst stemming from an unrequited love for Shizune. She does date a boy in the fic, but whether her feelings for him are genuine or if she's using him as a beard is up to the reader's interpretation.

That said, this is a really fun story, and one of the few Hanako/Shizune fics in existence. I read the story without knowing it was a β-fic at first and honestly thought it was going to be an exploration of the more caring, sensitive side of Shizune we saw briefly during Hanako's route. Once I figured out it was a β-fic, I found it kind of oddly prescient. But really, it's not; we know for a fact that, though Shizune is a hardass, she has a bit of Lilly's nurturing side to her, even though we never see it (particularly not in Hisao's route, where he acts considerably more mellow and reasonable than virtually anywhere else in the game.) Shizune knows it's her job to look after the people around her, and though she sometimes loses sight of that, and can be obsessively goal-oriented, at the end of the day she's more than capable of taking care of another person.

Reading the story, there's definitely some parts where you don't feel like you're at Yamaku Academy; I don't think in my own fics, I would ever depict the school as having so many bullies, for example. And in some sense, it certainly would have been nice for there to be some kind of advance notice that the characters involved were bisexual; sexuality in this story comes as such an afterthought that the sex scene epilogue seems a bit out of place. It's basically "yuri for the sake of yuri." If you're going to write Shizune as gynosexual (and since she's compelling in that role, there's no reason why you shouldn't, so long as you can solve the Mikado Question,) I feel like you have to provide a little bit more advance warning.

In fact, it would be good to compare and contrast this story to From Shizune's Perspective, another β-fic where Shizune is stated to be extremely comfortable with her bisexuality; though Shizune is very, very out of character throughout that fic (and not completely intentionally,) I love the way her sexuality is depicted in the story. She's clearly been with other men and women in the past and doesn't have any huge hangups about those relationships going sour. Her approach to romance is still somewhat reticent but much more "fuck it, I know what I want and I'm going to go for it." Though that story is definitely more of a spectacle than The Most Surprising Thing, I definitely feel like Shizune's attraction to Emi was more intrinsically "Shizune" than her affection for Hanako is in Griffon's fic.

They're both wonderful reads, though, and practically mandatory reading if you like Shizune. Ultimately, as an AU fic The Most Surprising Thing is a great story, even if some of the best aspects of the main characters in the story wind up unexplored or watered down. It's still a wonderful exploration of Shizune's tender side, and it's kind of nice to see Hanako living a somewhat happier life for once.

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Hey, some of us like certain BEFFs. (Sometimes they're heavy-handed and rather poorly written, but I think Hanako's bad end especially provides opportunities for both Hanako AND Hisao to grow in ways that even her good ending does not.)

In any case, I actually could quite easily see a way that Shizune could swing that way, yet not be attracted to Misha at all. Let's put it this way, Misha is a total sycophant - she isn't Shizune's equal in any way, but rather someone who idolizes her, and follows her like a puppy. Essentially, Shizune and Misha's relationship is as unbalanced as, say, Hanako and Lilly's relationship (although sometimes with some role reversals), and someone with Shizune's personality would resent that just as much as Hanako resents Lilly's mothering. Essentially, if Misha were a guy, the storyline wouldn't change, I think, because Shizune isn't attracted to Misha. and she's just an empty husk of a person. (Harsh, but if the name fits...) Edit: And clearly that isn't actually correct for Misha, because according to the player's guide, her given name is 椎名. That makes a hell of a lot more sense for something you'd name your kid (it doesn't make much sense to me, but it's at least not a rather nasty insult...)

And, the Hisao that dates Shizune in the release VN is someone who she's able to see as an equal in some ways. That said, Shizune doesn't ping as anything but straight to me, but my ability to detect that isn't exactly reliable...
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Hey, some of us like certain BEFFs. (Sometimes they're heavy-handed and rather poorly written, but I think Hanako's bad end especially provides opportunities for both Hanako AND Hisao to grow in ways that even her good ending does not.)
I've often disagreed with Leaty that a good author can write a good story about almost everything, but in the case of BEFFs I agree that 95% of them are complete rubbish.
Hisao has a heart attack that was actually triggered by Hanako's... explosion, and then Hanako dragged him to Nurse (injuring herself in the process), and took care of him as "revenge".
Anyone remember that one?
I don't, and that means it's probably not here on the forums... or I misunderstand what you're saying...
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It's a BEFF. And it was revenge for Misstep - I recall something about her wanting to know what it felt like for Hisao to give her unwanted help.

And, yes, BEFFs are mostly crap, but I've seen some good ones. (Or, in the case of Hanako's route, GEFFs, too. Actually, I'm not sure I've seen a single actually good fic that followed Hanako's route and tried to make Whispered Touch better, even if I have seen decent fics where Hanako and Hisao getting together was less messy (Lilly bad end fics, typically).)
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I have a feeling that some of the BEFFs you would consider "good" are stories that I would not consider BEFFs.

But at any rate, on the subject of Griffon's story, I can definitely agree that the fact that Misha's affections for Shizune go unreturned is by no means a definitive statement on Shizune's sexuality, given the form Misha's affections tend to take.
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Arguably speaking, from a canonical perspective, none of the girls are definitively heterosexual, though I suppose that is almost always the presumed default. Even in Shizune's case, it could have simply been a situation in which she just didn't have those kinds of feelings for Misha. We don't really get her perspective on that matter in the VN, so some things are left to the imagination. That being said, I suppose the "coin flip" issue does not quite strike me as being an issue in this instance.

As for these BEFFs, I can agree that a lot of them are lackluster, though from my experience, those tend to be the ones that essentially recycle dialogue from the VN outside of its highly relevant context.

At any rate, keeping in mind that this is a beta story, I thought it was decent enough. These days Shizune/Hanako would be a blatant crack pairing, but with as little as there was to go on back then, I suppose it was easier to make those kinds of things work. I am admittedly curious as to how receptive readers at the time were to these kinds of fics, seeing as their expectations of characters being IC were lesser than ours for obvious reasons. I just don't get the impression that reading these fics even knowing that they're from the pre-release is quite the same thing.
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Mahorfeus wrote:Arguably speaking, from a canonical perspective, none of the girls are definitively heterosexual, though I suppose that is almost always the presumed default. Even in Shizune's case, it could have simply been a situation in which she just didn't have those kinds of feelings for Misha. We don't really get her perspective on that matter in the VN, so some things are left to the imagination. That being said, I suppose the "coin flip" issue does not quite strike me as being an issue in this instance.
*nods* To clarify, I wasn't trying to say anything for or against the possibility of Shizune or Hanako being attracted to each other. It was the fact that it literally came out of nowhere that bothered me. Add to that the fact that a few chapters earlier they were commenting to each other about their mutual attraction to Hisao laid down the base assumption that they were both hetero, and then Suddenly! Yuri! happened, plus the idea that Hanako basically fell in love with Shizune because "Oh, wow, she saved me! I do believe I'm getting a case of the vapors!" and...oh, bugger, I'm talking myself out of liking this now, so I'd best stop there.
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