Re: Developments (Post-Lilly Bad End) [Ch 31 up 1/10]
Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 12:17 pm
Well, there is always a certain phone number...
(Where's the Walkthrough?)
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Also, there does come a point where this is dragged out too long. I'm not saying it's reached that yet, but critical mass may not be too far away. But that's only my opinion.Mirage_GSM wrote:I wrote this after the last chapter, and it seems this is proving me right.Mirage_GSM wrote:Well, the longer this goes on, the harder I find it to see this ending happily for any character.
If Lilly really comes back, I can't see Hisao ending up with either her or Hanako without the other being driven away...
Thanks. As Guest Poster said in response to this, they really do seem to get nothing but negative portrayals in fanfiction, especially Hiroyuki, so I wanted to do something different. I'm glad it worked. Writing this chapter almost made me wish I'd written a more Lilly-centric story. Perhaps once this is done.emmjay wrote:I gotta say, I like the characterization of Lilly's parents here. That's definitely an interesting take on why they might have asked Lilly to come back to Scotland.
This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.Guest Poster wrote:...there's two things that caught my attention:
Are you saying that Lilly has Scottish citizenship despite the fact that she was born in Japan and has spent pretty much her entire life there? Why exactly would Lilly's parents give one of their children Scottish citizenship if they were living in Japan? The only purpose it would serve is to make administrative tasks potentially more complicated than they'd have to be.Unlike your sister, you were a citizen of this country, and we have no authority over you here.
No, that should have read "help care for your grandparents". Will fix.Is he saying that Lilly was expected to look after her grandparents in her parents' place?but your sister insisted on staying behind rather than leave you to care for your grandparents.
Yes. Yes it is . Obviously, I can't directly address the other excellent points you bring up, but I will say that I hope that the eventual resolution makes sense....This is still one heck of a shitstorm he's gotten himself in.
There's a little problem with your explanation and that's the fact that Japan does not recognize dual citizenship, meaning that in order to become a Japanese citizen, Lilly's mother would have had to renounce her own Scottish citizenship. Likewise, even though Lilly may have been granted Scottish citizenship at birth, her parents would have had to renounce that in order to apply for Japanese citizenship for her. And seeing how long they've lived in Japan, it's unlikely Lilly and her mother didn't have Japanese citizenship.This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.
Not quite. Per Wikipedia, the Nationality Law that generally forbids dual citizenship was enacted in 1985, and those who had dual citizenship before then were allowed to keep it. Since Lilly was born with such dual citizenship, she has until age 22 to choose which of the two she keeps.Guest Poster wrote:There's a little problem with your explanation and that's the fact that Japan does not recognize dual citizenship, meaning that in order to become a Japanese citizen, Lilly's mother would have had to renounce her own Scottish citizenship. Likewise, even though Lilly may have been granted Scottish citizenship at birth, her parents would have had to renounce that in order to apply for Japanese citizenship for her. And seeing how long they've lived in Japan, it's unlikely Lilly and her mother didn't have Japanese citizenship.This stems from a quirk of UK citizenship laws. In 1983, the UK changed those laws so that children born to a UK mother were automatically granted citizenship. Since this story takes place in 2007, Lilly (born 1989) falls under that rule, but Akira (born 1981/2) does not.
That we do!That said, I never knew about that quirk in UK law. You learn something new every day.
The interesting thing with all of that is that in Shizune's route, as of version 1.1, Lilly explicitly never actually permanently left, making it not a plot hole (and meaning that it's not an error in canon, either, so word of author would be wrong).OutofBlues wrote:Something I realized while going over Chapter 31 again...the explanation that you give for Lilly's recall to Scotland actually fixes plot holes in the VN, and several fanfics as well.
In Shizune's storyline, Lilly appears well past the time she should be in Scotland and the devs have basically said "ooops" and left it as is. But since Hisao no longer contacts Lilly while she's visiting her aunt, the recall request never came, and Lilly was able to finish her year in Japan. While I seriously doubt you were thinking about the plot holes in the VN and elsewhere, it is seriously a genius piece of writing.
Heh...yeah, I wish I could take credit for thinking about that. I was mainly aiming at explaining the general odd nature of the whole thing, so putting some spackle on Shizune's route was just a happy side effect.OutofBlues wrote:Something I realized while going over Chapter 31 again...the explanation that you give for Lilly's recall to Scotland actually fixes plot holes in the VN, and several fanfics as well.
In Shizune's storyline, Lilly appears well past the time she should be in Scotland and the devs have basically said "ooops" and left it as is. But since Hisao no longer contacts Lilly while she's visiting her aunt, the recall request never came, and Lilly was able to finish her year in Japan. While I seriously doubt you were thinking about the plot holes in the VN and elsewhere, it is seriously a genius piece of writing.
Or this .bhtooefr wrote:For a while being the key words.
If it was in their nature to be direct, then Akira probably wouldn't have such a poor opinion of them in the first place.In any case, something does feel off about the characterization of the Satou parents, but I can't put my finger on it. I'd think that they'd be a little more direct about things, but then, Lilly is anything but direct about a lot of things herself...
Hm, you mean in this story? Because that seemed pretty darn direct to me. Both of her parents told her quite clearly what they thought about all thisbhtooefr wrote:In any case, something does feel off about the characterization of the Satou parents, but I can't put my finger on it. I'd think that they'd be a little more direct about things, but then, Lilly is anything but direct about a lot of things herself...
Yeah, that's what I took it to mean. The thing is, being direct about something like that would kind of defeat the purpose of doing it in the first place.Blasphemy wrote:Or I think I misunderstood. I suppose you mean their whole plan to keep Lilly in Japan or make decisions for herself.