Should the adult content be turned off?

[Babli]

I never understood whats the big deal about nudity in any kind of media. Seriously.

[metalangel]

I never understood whats the big deal about nudity in any kind of media. Seriously.

Exactly. Half the population has those parts anyway, and the other half usually doesn't object to seeing them.

"Modesty", shame, religion (also causes of the first two), control, maybe just (I really can't think of the word here) dignity? Respect? You know, leaving something to the imagination, not flaunting it, I know there's a better term for what I mean but I just can't think of it. There's an interesting article on the BBC News website about Germans and nudity, how people from different parts of the country are different in their attitudes: the author mentions drying his hair in the changing room of a pool and removing the towel from his head to be confronted by the young cleaning lady mopping the floors. Nobody else batted an eyelid, it's just normal for them.

People are stupid hypocrites. I think that's the best description for it. What's worse, people tend to force their views on others... Mrs Lovejoy in the Simpsons, "think of the children"... Anyone who thinks differently to me is wrong and I'm going to tell them how they should live their lives.

[Titus]

I am in the middle of my first play though and i was wondering what is everyone's opinon on whether or not i should turn them off. I heard the sex scenes kinda takes away the emotion and it feels unnatural to the story, making them feel unneecessary. But on the other hand I read that it is part of the story and that you should just read it because the devlopers put in it for a reason. So what does everyone think i should do?


BTW no spoilers because i am not done with my first playthrough yet. (It's Hanako if anyone is wondering)

All that work from the artist for nothing

[inquisitivenegro]

I never understood whats the big deal about nudity in any kind of media. Seriously.

Exactly. Half the population has those parts anyway, and the other half usually doesn't object to seeing them.

"Modesty", shame, religion (also causes of the first two), control, maybe just (I really can't think of the word here) dignity? Respect? You know, leaving something to the imagination, not flaunting it, I know there's a better term for what I mean but I just can't think of it. There's an interesting article on the BBC News website about Germans and nudity, how people from different parts of the country are different in their attitudes: the author mentions drying his hair in the changing room of a pool and removing the towel from his head to be confronted by the young cleaning lady mopping the floors. Nobody else batted an eyelid, it's just normal for them.

People are stupid hypocrites. I think that's the best description for it. What's worse, people tend to force their views on others... Mrs Lovejoy in the Simpsons, "think of the children"... Anyone who thinks differently to me is wrong and I'm going to tell them how they should live their lives.

Its not the nudity itself but the way it was handled, it wasnt distasteful in the least but some think it would have been better with no/less/partial nudity, for various reasons. To name a few: Repetition reduces impact, full nudity h scene leaves nothing behind for "the next level," Imagination always>reality especially for the female body which actually isnt that great, hence why silhouettes and revealing outfits work so well (<-my own opinion actually, I find hanako's casualwear and lily's pajamas much more attractive than when theyre naked is that weird), people want KS to be recognised as high class work of art and lemon poplar PE shed surprise doesnt help.

Sorry if you find me incoherent i hav 6 essays tomorrow exam gotta type fast

[mysterycycle]

I never understood whats the big deal about nudity in any kind of media. Seriously.

I think Metalangel covered a great deal of the reasons, and I don't necessarily disagree with inquisitivenegro (Lilly in her cheongsam does a number on me, not to mention the fetish-worthy aspects of Emi's P.E. uniform or Shizune's thigh-highs). Of course it's also going to depend upon whom you ask (though I think it's worth mentioning that people telling others what they should believe isn't unique to religious people). For the sake of clarity - rather than intending to spark a religious discussion - I'll try to explain my own reasoning that I often object to it.

First and foremost, I would prefer not to be titillated. This will probably make me sound like quite the prude, but I actually do believe that looking at a woman lustfully, fantasizing about her in sexual ways, etc., is a bad thing unless you're married to her (Jesus's words). As far as my own personal experiences: seeing a nude woman is seeing something that I'm not normally privy to in everyday life, and of course 98% of the time in media it's going to be an attractive woman presented in an erotic context, so obviously it's going to have an effect on me. That can be anything from a momentary longing to recurring fantasies, and one of the end results is that may both weaken my resolve to be faithful to my wife in some degree (possibly negligible in one instance, but as one is exposed to more media, one witnesses more nudity, and it can have a cumulative effect), and make me dissatisfied with my wife's appearance, which is admittedly at less-than-swimsuit-model level. So, there's the building up of unrealistic expectations (subconscious or otherwise) and brewing discontent, both of which can seriously harm a couple's sex life. That's one reason I think porn addiction is such a big deal.

Second, the way in which nude women are so often presented in media is as little more than an excuse to just show someone naked. "Sex sells," as they say, and so often there's very little justification for it in terms of story, character, etc. This is where I feel it starts to overlap with numerous feminist arguments (look out, Kenji) concerning the difference in the way women are portrayed in media as opposed to men. Often I think the way the depictions are handled are demeaning, both to women (by presenting them as a side of beef to drool over rather than a human being, or a fantasy creature whose only desire in life is to have sex with some guy) and to men (by suggesting that this is all that men are interested in, and trying to capitalize on our baser desires).

The way the girls are depicted in KS is different, to my mind: like I said before, when we see them nude it isn't strictly fanservice (I suppose one could argue that the entire premise of the game is a sort of fanservice, but that's a broader definition than I would use), it's an important part of the story, and they're presented as human beings instead of just bobbing love-dolls who only exist to be laid. While I am attracted to these imaginary characters - and to be honest I should certainly admit to my own erotic pleasure at seeing them nude - the fact that I care so much about them as people at that point makes the feeling less sordid to my mind. When I'm seeing Hanako undress for Hisao, and then seeing him initiate sex with her without necessarily knowing if that's what she wants, or seeing Rin trying to pleasure herself while in abject misery, I'm not really feeling titillated so much as worried, disturbed or sympathetic. Does that make any sense? I'm not sure if I'm explaining myself clearly, or even justifying myself. As you can conclude from my comments about the girls' various outfits above, I'm hardly pure as the driven snow here.

Admittedly, I make allowances that many of my fellow Christians won't, and I wonder if part of that is because I'm an artist - not that that somehow makes me more enlightened or anything, but because it means I've studied nude people and drawn them, and that has rarely ever been an erotic act for me, so I can see how not every instance of nudity is necessarily an invitation for lust. But different people have different levels of tolerance or willpower when it comes to sexual temptation, and even I have to agree that I'm hardly immune.

I've also heard the argument made that Americans have a strange double-standard, because we shy away from nudity but we embrace depictions of violence. I wouldn't disagree with this, though I think that a person is less likely to behave violently after witnessing cinematic violence than he is to engage in lustful thoughts after witnessing alluring depictions of nudity. Still, I would agree that Americans could probably stand to tone down the imaginary remorseless bloodshed a bit.

[WorldlyWiseman]

<snip for the sake of space>

These are all actually really healthy opinions on the subject. Heck, I'm an atheist (although I insist on not being the annoying kind), and I'm starting to feel some of the effects of being inundated with easy skin. Super-model-like women begin to blend together, in the way that memories of a coffee shop do if you go there every single day. I can't even stand most porn anymore, just plastic people on plastic beds whumping away and moaning with too-perfect timing. This isn't any kind of moral hellfire pouring out of my mouth - I think premarital sex is kind of a must, and it is perfectly possible for clothing to be both tasteful and revealing. It's just that it has become so easy for sex to tumble and fall into an uncanny valley of no boners.

I wouldn't call the dislike of sexual expression and the love of violent depictions a double standard, necessarily. I've come to the conclusion that they have similar motivations - many Americans feel burdened and put upon in their daily lives, and the power fantasies common in our media allow them to feel vicariously powerful. Condemnation of sexuality becomes a kind of mob justice. We put up with these authority figures and are told that these rich people are better than us, and we are waiting for the moment that they slip and break The Rule. I'm being very general here, but come one, how much vitriol can we really have for every celebrity that gets tired of their marriage and cheats? This is starting to get a bit judgmental, so I'll stop here.

[Babli]

Its not like I am new to the internet or something. I heard all the arguments in the world, but none of them ever convinced me. Its just another thing where humanity just annoys me.

[yummines]

I never understood whats the big deal about nudity in any kind of media. Seriously.

i never did, and never will honestly.
especially how showing a naked woman is worse than showing death montages.
its completely fine to show how violence solves everything, but not how a loving couple partake in babymaking
why do parents have to lie about how children are formed?

[metalangel]

why do parents have to lie about how children are formed?

That's different. That's because nobody wants to think about their parents having sex.

[yummines]

why do parents have to lie about how children are formed?

That's different. That's because nobody wants to think about their parents having sex.

yea well you wouldn't care about that as a child. even if you think girls are icky you wont think your mom is icky.

besides, its much better than getting told you were created by a kit from Sears (if you get the reference, you're awesome).

[metalangel]

I prefer the Seinfeld routine, where kids always ask if they're adopted because if so, that means there's a chance, however small, that their parents are just really, really good friends (who never consummated each other's brains out).

As a kid, you do think that sex is gross anyway, so your nice parents obviously never did it. Then as you age and find out, you see naked people in a magazine/online, and then look at your increasingly decrepit, saggy parents and it gets even grosser.

[mysterycycle]

I distinctly remember being with a bunch of friends in high school when the discussion turned to our parents having sex. "What, you can't imagine your mother crying out your father's name?" asked the girl who initiated the discussion. Well, now I can, I thought bitterly as I convulsed with the jibblies.

[yummines]

I distinctly remember being with a bunch of friends in high school when the discussion turned to our parents having sex. "What, you can't imagine your mother crying out your father's name?" asked the girl who initiated the discussion. Well, now I can, I thought bitterly as I convulsed with the jibblies.

i have to say that rustles my jimmies.
i cant imagine my parents doing it at all.

[Enemy |]

Well at least you guys never heard your parents having sex
And quietly walked away while pretending you didn't

[encrypted12345]

Well at least you guys never heard your parents having sex
And quietly walked away while pretending you didn't

At least you parents didn't have sex in the same room as you while you were trying to sleep. Did I mention that we were staying over at their friend's house?