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I really like the theory, but there is one major problem.

Yuuko stated that she didn't go to Yamaku.

Anon53 wrote:I really like the theory, but there is one major problem.

Yuuko stated that she didn't go to Yamaku.

I had a nice long explanation, but then my stupid internet died and I couldn't save what I'd written...gonna try to reproduce it the best I can.

Can you remember when Yuuko said this? Not really doubting you, I'd just like a refresher.
Also, did she ever say that she was with her boyfriend while she was still in high school?

If she didn't, then there's not really anything against Kenji being her ex. She was probably already working in the library by the time Kenji came to the school, and I don't think Kenji ever said his ex was a student at Yamaku. Now, Yuuko said she didn't realize her ex was younger than her at first, and that could make someone believe that it can't be Kenji because she should have assumed that anybody who isn't a teacher at Yamaku would probably be a student, and therefore younger than her. If it were anybody else I'd agree, but Yuuko doesn't seem to be the kind of person that would think in that way. She probably would not really think about something like that, or even consider asking how old her boyfriend is. It probably just randomly came up in conversation or something. Not to mention, Kenji kind of looks older without his glasses.

Ryto wrote:

Anon53 wrote:I really like the theory, but there is one major problem.

Yuuko stated that she didn't go to Yamaku.

I had a nice long explanation, but then my stupid internet died and I couldn't save what I'd written...gonna try to reproduce it the best I can.

Can you remember when Yuuko said this? Not really doubting you, I'd just like a refresher.
Also, did she ever say that she was with her boyfriend while she was still in high school?

If she didn't, then there's not really anything against Kenji being her ex. She was probably already working in the library by the time Kenji came to the school, and I don't think Kenji ever said his ex was a student at Yamaku. Now, Yuuko said she didn't realize her ex was younger than her at first, and that could make someone believe that it can't be Kenji because she should have assumed that anybody who isn't a teacher at Yamaku would probably be a student, and therefore younger than her. If it were anybody else I'd agree, but Yuuko doesn't seem to be the kind of person that would think in that way. She probably would not really think about something like that, or even consider asking how old her boyfriend is. It probably just randomly came up in conversation or something. Not to mention, Kenji kind of looks older without his glasses.

I don't think she ever mentions going to school with him but if she was with her boyfriend in high school wouldn't Kenji have been in middle school at the time, or at best a first year while she was a third? If she was working at the library when Kenji started school then wouldn't seeing him in the required school uniform let her know he was a student and younger than her? Emi is the ex and Yuuko, like Misha's disability, is just a red herring thrown in to get people stirred up talking, but that's just my opinion.

Ryto wrote: Can you remember when Yuuko said this? Not really doubting you, I'd just like a refresher.

I believe it was in Shizune's route. She's giving advice to Hisao, then starts backpedaling a bit because her highschool wasn't exactly like Yamaku. Can't remember the exact scene though.

Anon53 wrote:

Ryto wrote: Can you remember when Yuuko said this? Not really doubting you, I'd just like a refresher.

I believe it was in Shizune's route. She's giving advice to Hisao, then starts backpedaling a bit because her highschool wasn't exactly like Yamaku. Can't remember the exact scene though.

Huh, I could have sworn that at some point she mentioned being a student at Yamaku, and I was wondering about her possible disability. I may have misread, at the same time there are also several inconsitices in her story from act to act. For instance in one storyline she mentions that she is saving so that she can afford to go to univeristy, which is her dream, but in others, she is already a student taking classes.

I suspected that She and Kenji had dated from the first storyline I played, and everything I saw later reinforced that idea. (For those of you who mentioned they thought that she would be able to put up with him, remember, Kenji claims to have dumped his ex). However is she did in fact NOT go to Yamaku, it would almost be impossible, as she is too young.

Mirage_GSM wrote:Actually I interpreted Kenji's rant in The Deep End such that he complains about being a side character who has no power over his own actions or the turns his life takes.

Interesting idea, so that's why he rants about having no possibility of choice in life and gets pissed off when Hisao doesn't ask him a question (they must appear to him as little rectangular beige boxes with possible answers below...)!

Makinaci wrote: 4- Kenji told Hisao that he had sex once with his ex-gf, and that he felt like the life was sucked out of him afterwards. Hard to determine what he means by this, but I think he might have figured out he was gay.
5- On the rooftop, after getting wasted, Kenji tries to "romance" Hisao. It might be joke (it most likely was considering his drunken state) but if you combine it with 4) it suddenly is more believable.

I didn't think of Kenji as gay, however it looked like he was trying to jump on with Hisao while drunk, and I couldn't help but notice that, at that moment, the track "To Become One" was playing... The track that plays during the H-scenes. That's a joke by the developers... OR IS IT? (well, it's no secret that 4LS wanted to do Kenji's path but decided against it because of lack of time and other problems, so it could be a leftover from that idea)

However, as much as I like the speculations, the idea of Kenji and Yuuko having sex scares me... Heck, the very concept of Kenji having sex scares me somehow!

Woody Alien wrote:
I didn't think of Kenji as gay, however it looked like he was trying to jump on with Hisao while drunk, and I couldn't help but notice that, at that moment, the track "To Become One" was playing... The track that plays during the H-scenes. That's a joke by the developers... OR IS IT? (well, it's no secret that 4LS wanted to do Kenji's path but decided against it because of lack of time and other problems, so it could be a leftover from that idea)

However, as much as I like the speculations, the idea of Kenji and Yuuko having sex scares me... Heck, the very concept of Kenji having sex scares me somehow!

wo, now see who i not was the only one who noted that last ost...the music for romantic scenes! (and even Kenji maybe was scared about that idea ...and that happened.) i was thinking in how would be the begin of a Kenji route since this incident, and see who the only form is who Hisao no drinks alcohol or drinks only a few. (how can do this? maybe if one of the girls suddenly call him for help, or a little chat with Mutou, or if after a meeting with Nurse he buy something healthy for the "picnic").Hisao would appear in the roof more late, when Kenji began to drinks the bottle and have few licour for Hisao...and then he would be a little more alert when Kenji do that, and avoid fall for the roof. Then:

-or Kenji accidentally push Hisao to the floor of the roof and accidentally kiss him (when he wanted give him a hug), but with the licour in the head, go for it with entusiasm. Hisao tries to escape but misteriously after no do it, and see a little glance of his true eyes And then he falls...for Kenji. (DUNDUNDUN)
-or Kenji finally hug him, began to cry saying who he is alone and no have a friend in this world, except him. Then Hisao say who that is no true, who he is alone himself, and tell him about his condition.Then turn friends. for now.
And obviously who they will trolling woman because this-is-KENJI ROUTE.

Kenji wasn't trying to sex up Hisao, he murdered him because he was spending too much time with the girls and Kenji was afraid he would be living next to a double agent and chose to protect himself. He even told Hisao in a different route that if he ever killed anybody he would push them off the roof and make it look like an accident.

But he didn't get pushed off the roof. The poles of the fence surrounding the roof were lose (other parts had already broken if I recall), and when he leaned on them, they gave away, and he fell from lack of balance.

capncrooked wrote:But he didn't get pushed off the roof. The poles of the fence surrounding the roof were lose (other parts had already broken if I recall), and when he leaned on them, they gave away, and he fell from lack of balance.

Yup, I bet it involved hours of painstaking work, with hydrochloric acid applied as a rust inducing agent.

NoOne3 wrote:

capncrooked wrote:But he didn't get pushed off the roof. The poles of the fence surrounding the roof were lose (other parts had already broken if I recall), and when he leaned on them, they gave away, and he fell from lack of balance.

Yup, I bet it involved hours of painstaking work, with hydrochloric acid applied as a rust inducing agent.

Nah. Just a few minutes with a hacksaw would be enough for it to look accidental to Kenji's eyes, or maybe chipping away the concrete from around the pole. He had already learned that Hisao pulls back from him whenever he leans in close so all he had to do was get him next to the right section of fence.

Kenji_SpecOps wrote:I don't think Kenji was gay... If he was, he would of prob had an erection in the shower scene with Hisao, and Hisao would of prob noticed it and would of got the hell out of there.

Dunno if this actually goes towards Kenji being gay, or if I'm reading into this wrong... but in that scene I'm pretty certain it says something about Kenji's "baton conducting freely"... or similar

scopedknife wrote:

Kenji_SpecOps wrote:I don't think Kenji was gay... If he was, he would of prob had an erection in the shower scene with Hisao, and Hisao would of prob noticed it and would of got the hell out of there.

Dunno if this actually goes towards Kenji being gay, or if I'm reading into this wrong... but in that scene I'm pretty certain it says something about Kenji's "baton conducting freely"... or similar

let me see. (open the game)
scene: Soap

"i want to ask if he´s been looking for me like that, stark naked, but hold my tongue back. I finally realise im still naked too and quickly hold up my shirt in front of me, but Kenji doesn´t seem to notice a thing.His glasses are fogged up..." phrase who said Hisao nothing more appear Kenji in the bath, saying who he was searching him (for money for a pizza XD)...(and this have weird undertones.More hints about the "Kenji route" who never was?) and confirm the thing who i said about who Kenji can´t see him to that distance and with that steam.
"Actually, somehow it´s even more awkward to be naked in front of someone when they can´t see me being naked. To say nothing of the fact he´s naked as well." (confirmed, at least for Hisao. We really don´t know if Kenji can see even a silluette)

ah, i found it.
"Kenji winces and makes a noise like a dying cow, a particulary disturbing fact given that his baton is conducting freely" (after Hisao says who he must get back the money in one week XD) and after...kenji do his comentary about the porn stars.

After he say to Hisao "Okey, now the time has really come.I have to use the bathroom. Get out of it."
"i was just going to! And what does that mean? It´s a big bathroom" Hisao responds.
"So? I have to be alone or I can´t go. The pressure..."
"Okay. What if someone else comes in?"
"..." "I´ll think of something"
"I give him my practiced frown and it looks kind of silly reflected in his glasses..."

in the begin, i believed who Kenji wanted the bathroom for use it, but why then he needed be alone?...and suddenly remembered the "other" option. He is still young, and is morning...is normal for a young male have that kind of "urges"... But was so...sudden. (Kenji finally saw a little bit of Hisao then? or Hisao feel something weird about Kenji? (he put too much atencion about his naked state XD)...or the two things?)
ho we never know. the mystery...
Ah, and the name of the scene... remind you something?

edit: and sorry the engrish. im not english speaker,how you can see. i fixed now some weird things with verbs.

Better not drop the soap, Hisao... that's a big leaf....

On a serious level though, these theories are both amusing and well thought out. Kind of a testament to the hidden quirks the writers may or may not have thrown in... either way, skilful writing lol

VIVI wrote:My theories.Warning lot of spoilers, not so important but whatever.
(based too all who i read in all the routes in the game (almost all; i need ended some bad ends)

-Kenji entered Yanmaku for his bad eyesight(who, i think, had turned worse and worse; his dad leave him to make a fallout shelter for improve his manual habilities, maybe because he will be blind very soon...and he is more older than Hisao, then maybe was absent to school a pair of years) then, in the library, meanwhile was searching books-audiobooks (about criptology or about conspiracys, or movies (he do lots of mentions about old movies)) meets Yuuko. He is a bit clumsy, very bad in know people, Yuuko is clumsy and shy too, and the two likes the same things, they turn friends very soon...and turn more than that after.
And one day, the tried to have sex together with love of course. And something was wrong. His "energy" had gone. (for stress,for shyness,even for gayness, we don´t know) Kenji turn all confused about that and no want say the true reason, but Yuuko don´t understand why (is pretty normal for first timers who no all be perfect) and cut suddenly with her.
He began to hide from Yuuko, and soon from everyone. He turned into a hikkikomori bordeline. Began to use his old glasses (who do nothing) for hide his eyes, and use that scarf even in summer, only for not be recognised for her. All this turn him a bit paranoid (his fear for feminists was indused for internet alarm, even more) and more antisocial.And conserved the last books who he was reading and never returned them, for avoid Yuuko. For obtain the books who he needed for study, stoled them from the library and leave her notes, for give her fake clues about his identity.
And remember all that shocking hints about his life, like his phobia of phones, or about his mother.Or when he said who he have "shaman eyes" who had saw horrible things. And his fixation with Hisao.Probably he talks more with Hisao than any another person in Yanmaku.Even that, he thinks who Hisao is his friend, even if only talk with him few times at day. Maybe because,after Yuuko, the only one who undertanded him (kinda)
(fujoshi mode on) or he is secretly in love with him. (fujoshi mode off)

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