Hanako's Broken Heart Club

[LilyKitsune]

The ideal first date is one where there's mutual attraction and connection. I don't care about the venue or activity as long as there's those two things.

That about sums it up. I think it covers things like it not being at a rave or some other loud place, as I certainly wouldn't connect with someone so different.

I do prefer evening or night, though. Not an afternoon thing.

[Eurobeatjester]

I like early to late afternoon with no set concrete plans after. That way, if you're hitting it off, you can continue the date without any worries about time constraints.

I enjoy fun, kindof neutral grounds when first getting to know someone, that help you learn about each other. Coffee shops, amusement parks, walks, karaoke, that type of thing. I don't think I'd ever go to a movie on a first date anymore, because you spend hours with the person and you end up knowing nothing more about them than you did when you first sat down.

[bhtooefr]

The main thing is that I'd want to be able to talk with the person throughout the date. I agree, movies wouldn't work there.

[CoffeeDrive]

I have a thing for aquariums, no fucking clue why.

[metalangel]

A first date shouldn’t be too long – like I said before, it’s about seeing if the mutual attraction and connection is there. One girl told me she didn’t want to do anything too big just in case we hated each other in which case we’d have come all that way to be stuck with ‘someone you want to punch in the throat’ (her words).

Movies should wait until later, because they give you both privacy for canoodling (not always likely on a first date) and also something to discuss afterwards (not something you want on a first date: you want to talk about them, not the movie).

The first meeting is far better spent getting a drink of something – alcohol is good, because you’ll relax from what is always nervewracking. Coffee also works. DON’T EAT, you don’t want to be having a conversation with a new person while starving to death with food in front of you that you want to cram into your gaping maw.

Late afternoon is a good idea in general, my personal preference is for when you don’t have work the following day. There’s no pressure to try and wrap things up because you have to be up early. If you do end up spending the night together, work the next day also means having to cut the following morning short. Having to get dressed and go to stupid work when there’s something cute in your bed is a serious kick in the nuts. I have long held a theory that the best conversations take place in bed, and spending the morning in bed having those conversations will let you learn far more about someone and build a much stronger connection than you’d get from a dozen trips to the bar.

[Eurobeatjester]

A first date shouldn’t be too long – like I said before, it’s about seeing if the mutual attraction and connection is there. One girl told me she didn’t want to do anything too big just in case we hated each other in which case we’d have come all that way to be stuck with ‘someone you want to punch in the throat’ (her words).

That girl sounds amazing. I'm not being sarcastic.

[Lockhart]

At the same time 'resource' varies: the most obvious things are energy, power, wealth etc—things that keep you alive in an obvious sense. The more subtle things are things like information, stealth, etc—those are more complex and easier to cock-up, which is why they're not so obvious. But if you stick to the biological level, then only one outcome becomes important: did you disseminate your genetic material successfully?

At the sociocultural level, it becomes: did you disseminate your memetic payload successfully? Again, having high basic resource levels helps in that, but now the game is more complex—a starving artist can die, and many years later, successfully disseminate a memetic payload. That artist will then be remembered long after the alpha personality of that generation is dust.

If you can't make your art work for you, then mom and dad were right - you shuld have gone to that trade school and get a decent job.

I'm not really seeing how a forum about a VN is the sort of place to discuss the 'Manosphere' when there are scores of relationship and dating forums out there much better suited to receiving such a topic.

We're discussing dating and general quality of life issues.

Jingoro might be a self absorbed dick, but he's also right at everything he says. I loved the character, thought it was very entertaining.

Anyway, since we've run out of quality replies I'll add some further reading, then be off.

http://therationalmale.com/2014/09/10/t ... ear-three/ - A detailed approach to masculinity and gender relations.

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/ - Same, but with a more cocky attitude - the guy is a brilliant writer.

http://www.dangerandplay.com - General self improvement and lifestyle for men (fitness, business, philosophy ...)

http://boldanddetermined.com/ - Similar, but with a more aggressive approach.

http://www.returnofkings.com/ - The infamous Return of the Kings. Covers a very wide array of topics that concern men, has some awesome articles, but also some that aren't as good (both content and writing wise).

Until later.

[CoffeeDrive]

Are you same neckbeard from reddit or something? The only place I ever see anyone believe in the "Manosphere" is places like that thats because fedora wearing 48 year old virgins need to blame something.

[Eurobeatjester]

Please go to /r/theredpill (and don't come back) if you want a discussion with like minded individuals.

All you'll accomplish here is more people calling out your philosophy for the immature nihilism it is.

Everyone else, just add this guy to the "foe" list and move on.

[bhtooefr]

This is Hanako's Broken Heart Club, not Kenji's Broken Heart Club.

[Zarys]

You can explain the concept of neckboard fedora guy, manosphere, and generaly what is so wrong with what he have said ? I'm not a specialist of Internet culture so maybe It's just that I don't understand all what is implied.

[Eurobeatjester]

You can explain the concept of neckboard fedora guy, manosphere, and generaly what is so wrong with what he have said ? I'm not a specialist of Internet culture so maybe It's just that I don't understand all what is implied.

"Neckbeard Fedora Guy" - it's kindof a take on people who have attitudes like this. Nothing is wrong with them, it's the world that's wrong. The term originated on Myspace and Facebook from people that would post the types of things being said here about the evils of women, religion, etc.

Enough of the people who would post things like this would have two things in common: An unshaven face that was so bad a beard was growing not just on the chin but on the neck (hence, neckbeard) and a $10 fedora from Walmart because for some reason, a lot of people think it's a fashion statement.

A lot of people that say "I won't settle for less than X in a man/woman" or "No man/woman is good enough for me" are completely oblivious to the way they look and do nothing to keep up their own appearances. In women it can be harder to tell, but almost universally, men who let themselves go like this have a "neckbeard" because it's the first thing that grows in once you start to neglect your appearance.

In short, it's a holier than thou attitude that is quick to call out all flaws in others while refusing to acknowledge you have any flaws or hypocrisy of your own.

"Manosphere" - the whole concept he's discussing has to do with the perception that men aren't men anymore and have been degraded by women and society. But instead of trying to be equals, what he's encouraging is that men "become men again" by completely degrading women on almost every level and putting them in their place.

So that's what's wrong with what he's saying. It's equating men as less than equal to women, so the point is to make women lesser than men disguised through things like "alpha male" and "playing the game" and the like.

None of this has anything to do with finding a quality person you can spend your life with that makes you happy. It's mainly about getting revenge on a whole gender through destructive behavior because someone dumped you or turned you down.

[bhtooefr]

And also using manipulative psychology to get into womens' pants, which the fedora-wearer believes is his right, and that women are a commodity whose sole purposes for existence are to provide him with vaginas, cooking and cleaning services, and possibly children.

I'll note that the whole Men's Rights Activist movement (which is also tied into all of this) is essentially what Kenji is a parody of.

[Zarys]

I see what you mean, I just hesitate to insult people like that just because it's hard to distinguish between those who seem to suffer from those who are just assholes. (but I'm inclined to forgive people who hurt me or other people because I often think that If someone behave better than me, this person has certainly many much more problems in his life than me; so even though I never say it in public , I often play the devil's advocate in my thoughts)

[Bluegaze]

Well, I can't really say I have a 'broken heart' because, to be honest, there is no one that could break it, and that's my problem. I have just finished high school, and truth be said I haven't had someone I could call a friend since I was like 12 or so. Well, I had people I could smalltalk with in middle school and high school, but never had had someone I could call a friend, that I would hang out with or anything. At best I would be invited to some party if one would invite higher number of people, but nothing more personal, to hang out in a small group or anything. It's probably mainly my fault, because during middle school I started to spend more and more time playing games and such, and I slowly lost people I hanged out before that, and it wasn't until recently that I started feeling bit lonely, especially after finding out about Katawa Shoujo and playing it. Of course having said all that I think it's obvious I haven't had any contacts with girls either, nothing more than a smallchat about school or traffic with a classmate during a break. But it really is not that much about girls, sometimes I just wish I had someone I could simply go out and drink a beer with or whatever. I am starting university soon, so maybe there is a chance to meet new people, but I don't really have high hopes.