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But you know, sometimes it's better to follow your heart...and it's clear that he wants to try and feel that she is special for him...and he has quickly follow my advice*.
*Why you don't admit that he has already said that he has act since my advice ? he has invit her.

Zarys wrote:But you know, sometimes it's better to follow your heart...and it's clear that he wants to try and feel that she is special for him...and he has quickly follow my advice*.
*Why you don't admit that he has already said that he has act since my advice ? he has invit her.

Yes, and sometimes it isn't. There is nothing in his situation that suggests this is worth further pursuit, and the worst case scenario here isn't just "nothing". And seriously, what's with the asterisk? Would it make you feel warm inside if you hear other people say he took your advice? It's not a competition. Admit that to yourself.

Zarys wrote:But you know, sometimes it's better to follow your heart...and it's clear that he wants to try and feel that she is special for him...and he has quickly follow my advice*.
*Why you don't admit that he has already said that he has act since my advice ? he has invit her.

You wanted me, and now other people, to 'admit' that Elasar has taken your advice? Why do we have to admit something he's done? I hope you're not 'projecting yourself into this debate' as you accused me of earlier, seeing that as some kind of personal victory.

Speaking generally.. how many weird, creepy, dangerous stalkers think they're 'following their heart' and feel the object of their attention is 'special' for them? All of them! That's why they're doing what they're doing, and they don't see what's wrong with it either! I don't think you understand. I keep saying that it takes two to tango, that both parties have to share an interest in one another or it simply will not work and you cannot force it. I've explained several times how even responding to say 'no, go away' can lead to further problems and yet you're still clinging to this romance story delusion that there'll be a happy ending, the guy will win the girl's heart, she'll see she should be with him and just didn't see it at first. The real world does not work like that no matter how much you'd like it to, and no matter how strong your feelings for someone else, if they don't like you back you have to accept it and let them go.

metalangel wrote:
You wanted me, and now other people, to 'admit' that Elasar has taken your advice? Why do we have to admit something he's done? I hope you're not 'projecting yourself into this debate' as you accused me of earlier, seeing that as some kind of personal victory.

Speaking generally.. how many weird, creepy, dangerous stalkers think they're 'following their heart' and feel the object of their attention is 'special' for them? All of them! That's why they're doing what they're doing, and they don't see what's wrong with it either! I don't think you understand. I keep saying that it takes two to tango, that both parties have to share an interest in one another or it simply will not work and you cannot force it. I've explained several times how even responding to say 'no, go away' can lead to further problems and yet you're still clinging to this romance story delusion that there'll be a happy ending, the guy will win the girl's heart, she'll see she should be with him and just didn't see it at first. The real world does not work like that no matter how much you'd like it to, and no matter how strong your feelings for someone else, if they don't like you back you have to accept it and let them go.

I've been quiet in this far too long. Zarys, I'm sorry, but this guy needs to let go. If it's been a month and a half, it's OVER. It's DONE. It's not coming back, and it was probably never even there in the first place. I've been in this guy's situation before, and it doesn't end well. You need to understand that this isn't some minor lack of communication: it's been a month and a half. She doesn't want to talk to him.

azumeow wrote:

metalangel wrote:
You wanted me, and now other people, to 'admit' that Elasar has taken your advice? Why do we have to admit something he's done? I hope you're not 'projecting yourself into this debate' as you accused me of earlier, seeing that as some kind of personal victory.

Speaking generally.. how many weird, creepy, dangerous stalkers think they're 'following their heart' and feel the object of their attention is 'special' for them? All of them! That's why they're doing what they're doing, and they don't see what's wrong with it either! I don't think you understand. I keep saying that it takes two to tango, that both parties have to share an interest in one another or it simply will not work and you cannot force it. I've explained several times how even responding to say 'no, go away' can lead to further problems and yet you're still clinging to this romance story delusion that there'll be a happy ending, the guy will win the girl's heart, she'll see she should be with him and just didn't see it at first. The real world does not work like that no matter how much you'd like it to, and no matter how strong your feelings for someone else, if they don't like you back you have to accept it and let them go.

I've been quiet in this far too long. Zarys, I'm sorry, but this guy needs to let go. If it's been a month and a half, it's OVER. It's DONE. It's not coming back, and it was probably never even there in the first place. I've been in this guy's situation before, and it doesn't end well. You need to understand that this isn't some minor lack of communication: it's been a month and a half. She doesn't want to talk to him.

This seems amusingly relevant to the scenario here....

Khalego wrote:

azumeow wrote:

metalangel wrote:
You wanted me, and now other people, to 'admit' that Elasar has taken your advice? Why do we have to admit something he's done? I hope you're not 'projecting yourself into this debate' as you accused me of earlier, seeing that as some kind of personal victory.

Speaking generally.. how many weird, creepy, dangerous stalkers think they're 'following their heart' and feel the object of their attention is 'special' for them? All of them! That's why they're doing what they're doing, and they don't see what's wrong with it either! I don't think you understand. I keep saying that it takes two to tango, that both parties have to share an interest in one another or it simply will not work and you cannot force it. I've explained several times how even responding to say 'no, go away' can lead to further problems and yet you're still clinging to this romance story delusion that there'll be a happy ending, the guy will win the girl's heart, she'll see she should be with him and just didn't see it at first. The real world does not work like that no matter how much you'd like it to, and no matter how strong your feelings for someone else, if they don't like you back you have to accept it and let them go.

I've been quiet in this far too long. Zarys, I'm sorry, but this guy needs to let go. If it's been a month and a half, it's OVER. It's DONE. It's not coming back, and it was probably never even there in the first place. I've been in this guy's situation before, and it doesn't end well. You need to understand that this isn't some minor lack of communication: it's been a month and a half. She doesn't want to talk to him.

This seems amusingly relevant to the scenario here....

I had HAPPILY forgotten about that. You monster.

Khalego wrote:

This seems amusingly relevant to the scenario here....

OMG... I've never seen that before. I got as far as the part about his armpits sweating before he calls her, and I had to stop reading lest I give myself a hernia or something from laughing so hard. And that emoticon he keeps using! Is that Dr Zoidberg or what?

metalangel wrote:

Zarys wrote:But you know, sometimes it's better to follow your heart...and it's clear that he wants to try and feel that she is special for him...and he has quickly follow my advice*.
*Why you don't admit that he has already said that he has act since my advice ? he has invit her.

You wanted me, and now other people, to 'admit' that Elasar has taken your advice? Why do we have to admit something he's done? I hope you're not 'projecting yourself into this debate' as you accused me of earlier, seeing that as some kind of personal victory.

Speaking generally.. how many weird, creepy, dangerous stalkers think they're 'following their heart' and feel the object of their attention is 'special' for them? All of them! That's why they're doing what they're doing, and they don't see what's wrong with it either! I don't think you understand. I keep saying that it takes two to tango, that both parties have to share an interest in one another or it simply will not work and you cannot force it. I've explained several times how even responding to say 'no, go away' can lead to further problems and yet you're still clinging to this romance story delusion that there'll be a happy ending, the guy will win the girl's heart, she'll see she should be with him and just didn't see it at first. The real world does not work like that no matter how much you'd like it to, and no matter how strong your feelings for someone else, if they don't like you back you have to accept it and let them go.

Just to remind it to already be doing, so it's a bit pointless to criticize it in front of me.
And again, I don't say that he must no accept it, I just think that the limit before becoming a stalker is many much more higher than you said.

Khalego wrote: This seems amusingly relevant to the scenario here....

It's supposed to be funny ? and why brings a funny thing in a serious situation ? do you even realize that we speak about real people ? (It's certainly a troll but if it's real, I don't find funny to laugh at a person who seems to have serious problems)

And there is maybe a little difference between seed 600 mails after 3 days, go in her house,ect...and what Elessar did.
This only proves that it is a matter of proportions and the behavior of Elessar has nothing of a stalker; where this guy in the Denko Saga act just absurdly when Denko was obviously at least friendly before he become scary.

And I don't really understand why suddenly cut all contact without explanation is more OK than risk being a little insistant ? sorry but I will not set what I think and how I behave (and so what I advice to think and behave) since paranoids that think that all guys are rapers* or from extrem examples (that are certainly troll)
I think you makes a big deal with a really little thing that I find perfectly normal.
I really have the impress to be the reasonable person here.


*Come on, if the genders were reversed, would you really think that a girl who seed a invitation to a guy after 2-3 unanswered messages in a mouth is a stalker ? not most people, I think, most would thinks that she is well-intentionned, misses sincerely her friend and even that he is a asshole to forgive her; and here most of you claims that he is a stalker or almost a potential rapist and she is too weak to endure a last invitation where her will is gently demanded; I don't think that all guys are potential rapists and that womans are so weak. (and I find it degrading for them)

I like the fact the we creeped the new guy out, and he hasn't posted since forever (a single day, or maybe the new pages help to the confusion).

It's just one day, and he has certainly somethings more important to do than talk to us, right ?

Zarys wrote:It's just one day, and he has certainly somethings more important to do than talk to us, right ?

Indeed, most dont live on the forums.

I think that nobody here live on the forums.

Sorry sorry I'm messed up, different time zone and all. Another dimension, perhaps another universe.
A thousand years have already passed, and you guys say its just a day. What a shame.
He doesn't live on the forum? Wait... are you guys real people?

You called upon me?
Here i am

I've been thinking alot and after reading these bazillion new posts (well, maybe a bit less), i can tell you to not worry.
The only reason why i would want to contact her once more is to absolutely certain. Like some already wrote, nobody here can know what she thinks/feels, even if it is 1 1/2 months.
Sure, its a long time, but who knows? Some people, including me, need time. The first week after my last message i was constantly checking my phone.
The next 2 weeks i was able to push the thoughts aside, even if just a little bit because i myself knew that it would be too much.
But by know, the only thing i want to achieve with this message is knowing wether or not i can move on.

It's not about logic or common sense, its about my own pace, i need another answer [even if she decides to not respond, then it is a no in my eyes] to be certain.
This has always been me, i cant just move on immediately, it takes time, sometimes 1 1/2 months and another rejection.


Im not 100% taking Zarys' advice, im not 100% taking anybodys advice, im listening to you, im reflecting the things so they match my own pace and see if they fit into my situation.
If at one point my mind and my heart say "yup, that guys advice is perfect, let's do it" i won't hesitate, but the chances of that happening are, well, small.

You are realistic but not defeatist, you will not be too disappointed if it does not work (because as you say, there is a big chance that it does not work) but you try and seriously there is nothing to loss with it.

It's good that you give her the right to having her own pace, you say what I want mean better than myself, you cannot guess what she thinks, and it's why that try gives her a chance to say her own opinion. (don't try is not "manage her" but assume what she thinks)

Again, good luck Elessar !