LordMarluxia wrote:Does anyone here still have a broken heart? This is Hanako's Broken Heart Club after all...
Does a half-beating heart made of iron and stitched-up flesh count?
Zarys wrote: Well, so anyone who does not agree with you are hypocrites ?
I don't know the context, you may have reason (circumstances can change a lot of things) when you say that he is still a good guy, but I don't see why other people don't have the right to think otherwise. (especially if he really had grievances against them)
No, they're not hypocrites because they disagree with me. They're hypocrites because they pretend the guy's a scumbag while talking down to him behind his back, to his roommate, and when I personally know at least one of them is lying through their teeth about it. Some of them don't know the guy, and they can only judge based on the biased stories people who don't like him tell. And when it's a few people attacking against one person defending, we all know who's gonna believe who. I can barely mention the guy without everybody acting as if he's a sociopath.
Zarys wrote:But if they talk about him without knowing him, it's a bit annoying and intrusive, I agree.
But you know, the disagreement does not mean that people hate you or something, do you really think that you are better than them if you deny their right to have an true opinion and say they are all hypocrites ? you complain that people don't treat you as an equal, but you seem to do the same thing.
I've dealt with too many people to put up with BS like this. I know where their treatment of him leads, and they're already treading the borders of making me choose between being their friend or his. They think he's an asshole because he lives the life he wants to, but he doesn't think the same of them. They judge him for things they do themselves, and act like they're better than him when at best, they're barely any different. That's why they're hypocrites.
Zarys wrote:
Certainly they think "he's an asshole and his friend is too weak to blame him", but you prove that they are right by simplifying like them what other people think.
I know a lot of "rejected" who says things like that, but in fact they stigmatize and dehumanize normal people (with thoughts like "normal people are boring, without free will, ect ..") as much as "normal" people do to them; and finally they are half responsible for their isolation, but I understand them because I know that isolation makes it difficult to understand what others really think and really feel, if you're rejected too long, you become a little solipsistic to survive, and even when they are making efforts, people are still sometimes cruel with them but you think they do this because they are totally assholes?
Not because they're assholes, but because they simply don't care enough to let people live their own lives without commenting. I disagree with them on a lot of things, but I have the common decency not to act as though they're wretches because I disagree with their ideas or their lifestyles.
As for "rejected" people being responsible for their isolation: yes. This is true. Hence why I went to this party, despite the fact that my ex and people I knew didn't really like my roommate would be there. I'm trying to not be an isolated, bitter ass. It's not the easiest thing in the world when every step is met with resistance.
Zarys wrote:no one is all white or all black; Hanako is a good example: yes people are sometimes cruel to her, she is far from be responsible, but she had abandoned for a long time to get better, and even if she see people who act badly with her, there is also clumsy but well-meaning people she rejected, and most people avoid her no because they don't like her, but because they do not know what to deal with her, exactly how herself can't handle with most people; but it makes the situation difficult because even when she made an effort, most people do not realize it. (When she makes a group work with Hisao, Shizune and Misha, it's already very well for her, but Misha and Shizune exaggerate and paying too much attention to her awkwardness; causing her anxiety attack; but how Shizune and Misha were supposed to understand this ?)
There are plenty of very visual warning signs to a panic attack about to happen. Misha obviously wouldn't notice them because she has the social grace of a jackhammer, but Shizune should be more attentive, especially since she knows about Hanako's behavior, her disappearances and her general social awkwardness. I've been in Hanako's situation multiple times before, and it's almost always the same thing: people being rude without realizing it because they think they know everybody and they think they can be buddy-buddy with everybody around them. I've had people shove me against a wall then be confused when I freak out, I've been held in a choke hold from behind "just to see what would happen" and continuously touched despite desperately physically distancing myself from the person touching me. Things that "normal" people tolerate because they don't want to be seen as confrontational are, in reality, others pushing people's boundaries out of either ignorance, malice, or a simple lack of caring about the consequences of their actions.
Zarys wrote:She remains primarily a victim, but she is perfect with her misanthropy ? are people so faulty for failing to understand her ? people who think the opposite misunderstood her, like the game claims she should be treated as a human being but don't say that she has no problems and don't need help. (Hisao's fault in the bad end and the neutral is to go too far, and don't treat her primarily as a person he likes.)
And if you're angry by what I said, don't pretend to want to be treated as an equal.
No, Hanako's not perfect in her misanthropy. Of course she isn't. I don't know where this tangent came from, but I'll answer it nonetheless. Yes, Hanako has problems. Yes, she may need help. What she doesn't need is people patronizing her and pretending that she's a fragile child. It's rude, to use your own words, it's dehumanizing, and it's aggravating when everybody treats you the same way. As for the last part about me pretending to want to be treated as an equal, what? That seems to have just come completely out of the blue.
Zarys wrote:PS : But I find it odd that your roommate is apparently found guilty but not your ex...why he is more criticized than her ? she consented after all, sleep with the girlfriend of one of your friend is a bad choice, but sleeping with the friend of your boyfriend is also a bad choice.
They don't even know about this. I don't tell anybody because I know it will destroy any kindnesses they have for my ex. As much as she deserves it, I'm trying not to be a bitter asshole filled with hatred. And, I'll simplify it as to why I don't hate him for it: She lied to him and tricked him into thinking that it was okay. When he found out, he was infuriated just as I was and barely spoke a word to her. We resolved it between ourselves.
