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Zykes wrote:I've just been reading a bunch of the replies to what i've said.

Maybe I can say something like this.

We talk about getting past it. But it the first step (unless your blind, then of course its not an immediate thought.)

You will see this person, before you talk to them, before you learn about them. You will make a pre-judgment. a Decision based a bunch of factors (one of the main ones being their physical appearence.)

"Oh look at this girl, she is..." (you will analyze what can gather, and from there, you will make a decision whether or not to approach her.) You will make the decision if you noticing the fact she doesn't arms will deter you from making first contact or not. (At this point, as I've mentioned, most people would feel deterred by it due to the abnormal nature of the person. Of course some would and could not be deterred, from that point we can add emotional and mental aspects of an individual into the later decision for furthering a relationship.)

This kind of thought process isn't just about people, its about anything, We pre-judge food just on appearance, before tasting it. "ugly" looking food is avoided because it doesn't look appealing, even if it could be really delicious.

brythain wrote:So, quite apart from the assertions that love is blind or doesn't think about practical concerns, what do you really think of having a long-term relationship with Rin?

For me, it would have to be. You'd have to be in it for the long haul or not at all. I don't think I'd be deterred by her physical appearance. The problems of daily life would come later, and I'd be concerned by her physical limitations. It's not that she can't do many things for herself: there's ample evidence that the armless can do many things (even most things) with their legs. But they're inherently more vulnerable given the nature of the world. I agree that if you love someone, you will try to make it work. I'm just not confident I'd be able to do that, being as honest as I can.

slagman5 wrote: Ok, but what does all of that have to do with what I'm asking? I'm asking if all other aspects are the same about the relationship except now it's you and it's in real life, you already know Rin, you already grew close to her, and she's already confessed to loving you... Where does first impressions and all of that come into play here?

SpunkySix wrote:
Honestly, and this might come off as an insult to somebody so please don't take it that way, but if you want to get to know somebody, yet the thought of having difficulties dealing with their physical limitations makes you turn away, then you probably don't actually care all that much about them and you shouldn't ever even start a relationship with them, let alone try for the long term.

SpunkySix wrote:Honestly, and this might come off as an insult to somebody so please don't take it that way, but if you want to get to know somebody, yet the thought of having difficulties dealing with their physical limitations makes you turn away, then you probably don't actually care all that much about them and you shouldn't ever even start a relationship with them, let alone try for the long term.

Zykes wrote:You made the point that the scenario, there is no heart issues, no school or anything like that, but it's in real life.

How would you met a girl like Rin? What would bring you to a situation that could create a relationship?

Hisao was thrusted into a position of going to Yamaku due to his condition. And his eventual connection to Rin was built upon something that started out of his control.

If it's not the same as him, then the first sight of Rin is important to the decision. Looking at Rin from the VN, She is appealing, but her missing her arms doesn't way on my mind because there is no grasp of reality to it.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2011/07/ ... 33x303.jpg

This took me quite a time to find, but she is a real person, and she is i'd say rather attractive, but I find myself in the end deciding against an attempt at a relationship due to the simple physical aspect. Of course better men then I would make an effort I am sure.

but I made the decision based on a realistic view point based on the scenario you gave at the begin, and I just wanted to point out, that others could look at it from this point of view to make a more objective decision.

http://www.katawa-shoujo.com/res/char/char_rin.png

I'm sure it's not as difficult to look at this and make the same choice.

SpunkySix wrote:Am I crazy for:

1. Not even noticing that girl's lack of arms until I read the post properly

and

2. Not even thinking about the physical difficulties?

Like, that girl is cute, and if I met her, the thought of having to deal with her arm troubles wouldn't have even crossed my mind.

Honestly, and this might come off as an insult to somebody so please don't take it that way, but if you want to get to know somebody, yet the thought of having difficulties dealing with their physical limitations makes you turn away, then you probably don't actually care all that much about them and you shouldn't ever even start a relationship with them, let alone try for the long term.

slagman5 wrote:I would agree that she's an attractive young lady, but I'll stop there, because she looks young, like very young, lol.

slagman5 wrote:
And do you think she has to go to some "disabled people" school? Both my middle school and my high school had a few people missing limbs who attended there. I never met one missing both arms, but I think that's more to do with chance than them not ever going to a normal school... The girl in my highschool was missing both her legs, but she didn't wear prosthetics like emi, but had a motorized wheelchair...

SpunkySix wrote:

slagman5 wrote:I would agree that she's an attractive young lady, but I'll stop there, because she looks young, like very young, lol.

Does she? She looks at least 18 if not then very close to it, and I'm 19, so... ??

Eh, whatever. I mean, she's cute, but not like, smoking or whatever, so it's not really a problem either way.

Zykes wrote:

slagman5 wrote:
And do you think she has to go to some "disabled people" school? Both my middle school and my high school had a few people missing limbs who attended there. I never met one missing both arms, but I think that's more to do with chance than them not ever going to a normal school... The girl in my highschool was missing both her legs, but she didn't wear prosthetics like emi, but had a motorized wheelchair...

Well I was never specific on where, cause it really doesn't matter too much.

And the point I'm making is like, with the girl in the wheelchair, would you have considered dating her honestly? You haven't gotten to know her yet, but you see her, would you over look the fact she was missing her legs and bother to get to know her, despite the options to date others who aren't in the same boat as her?

Zykes wrote:

slagman5 wrote:
And do you think she has to go to some "disabled people" school? Both my middle school and my high school had a few people missing limbs who attended there. I never met one missing both arms, but I think that's more to do with chance than them not ever going to a normal school... The girl in my highschool was missing both her legs, but she didn't wear prosthetics like emi, but had a motorized wheelchair...

Well I was never specific on where, cause it really doesn't matter too much.

And the point I'm making is like, with the girl in the wheelchair, would you have considered dating her honestly? You haven't gotten to know her yet, but you see her, would you over look the fact she was missing her legs and bother to get to know her, despite the options to date others who aren't in the same boat as her?

Zykes wrote:

SpunkySix wrote:

slagman5 wrote:I would agree that she's an attractive young lady, but I'll stop there, because she looks young, like very young, lol.

Does she? She looks at least 18 if not then very close to it, and I'm 19, so... ??

Eh, whatever. I mean, she's cute, but not like, smoking or whatever, so it's not really a problem either way.

Based on the article I got it from, she was 16 in 2011, so she'd be 19 or 20 now, so no worries.