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Actually, they were both in the wrong. I didn't really feel proud of Hanako, because she was partially to blame for the situation as well and her "shutting him down" wasn't really a concious effort, but rather a knee-jerk reaction that she probably felt sorry for the moment he walked out of there. The only thing I did was shake my head at the tragedy of two people who basically loved each other blowing up their (admittedly disfunctional) friendship in a way that probably left both feeling miserable. If a situation has nothing but losers, you don't feel proud of any of the participants.

pandaphil wrote:Potato may disagree with me on the point, but I came away from the bad ending actually feeling proud of Hanako. Hisao was acting unreasonably and she shut him down.

The only upsetting part is the possible repercussions. And that's easy enough to fix in your headcanon.

Oh, I definitely disagree there. They were both unreasonable self-centered twats in that last scene. And they're not the only ones. It basically goes like this (spoilers for all bad endings):

Hanako end: Both were selfish twats not thinking of the other person. ("I'm sad so I'll hole up for days without contact! SURELY NOBODY WILL WORRY!" "I'm concerned so I will apply overbearing pressure to an already fragile structure. WHAT COULD GO WRONG?")

Lilly end: Both were dense idiots, just not thinking much at all. ("Gee, I sure would like Lilly to stay. Oh well!" "Gee, I sure would like to stay. OH WELL!")

Emi: Mostly Emi's fault with her stonewalling nonsense, but Hisao probably didn't have to go mouthing off about her daddy.

Rin: Entirely Hisao's fault, only because Rin can't help it.

Shizune: Hisao had basically nothing to do with the conflict, so he's more or less blameless here.

Potato wrote:Shizune: Hisao had basically nothing to do with the conflict, so he's more or less blameless here.

Except, you know, the whole sticking his dick in Misha thing. Which added tons of guilt to the conflict, and is what triggers the bad ending.

Let's agree to disagree. I can do that calmly. I wasn't going to say anything at all actually, but ignoring someone is not something I like doing often.

*sigh* See H&H? We have a lot in common. Apparently we're both wrong about everything.

Anyone want to fight about it in Soul Calibur?

Guest Poster wrote:I'm with Bhtooefr...it's possible you are afraid of watching that scene because you're afraid Hisao's thoughts in that scene would reflect your own too much and the bad end would act as some sort of mirror, having your favourite character challenge and maybe even reject your own beliefs. And that it might change the way you see her as a result.

Would that change the way you see yourself as a result?
And if that's the case, it's all the more important that you do play Hanako's Bad End. Living in ignorance may feel like the best option, but it's far being the best option. Playing that bad end can help you recognizing some of your own faults, thus allowing you to change them and become a better person. That's what Emi's bad end did to me.

*sigh* See H&H? We have a lot in common. Apparently we're both wrong about everything.

If that was aimed at me, my post basically merely reiterated something Cpl Crud once said...namely that both Hanako and Hisao were to blame for the bad end and it wasn't just Hisao's fault. No need to get defensive.

Let's agree to disagree. I can do that calmly. I wasn't going to say anything at all actually, but ignoring someone is not something I like doing often.

I guess we can, but it's still weird you like a character so much while you're at the same time afraid to watch her bad ending, in other words ignoring her bad side. Heck, Hanako's phrase from her website profile says "Can you face your fears?". If she can and you can't, then your waifu failed to set the good example.

To be honest, I don't think people's reactions are anything personal. It's just very jarring to people when someone does a truckload of Hanako-gushing while at the same time completely missing the aesop of her route. Although frankly, Hanako's route has had that effect on quite a few people over the years. She's probably the one girl with a sizable Misaimed Fandom. (warning: TVTropes link)

Would that change the way you see yourself as a result?
And if that's the case, it's all the more important that you do play Hanako's Bad End. Living in ignorance may feel like the best option, but it's far being the best option. Playing that bad end can help you recognizing some of your own faults, thus allowing you to change them and become a better person. That's what Emi's bad end did to me.

The central moral of Hanako's route is laid out in both her good and her bad end. It's just that her good end is more subtle about it while her bad end throws it in your face, requiring weapon-grade obliviousness to miss it.

Guest Poster wrote:

*sigh* See H&H? We have a lot in common. Apparently we're both wrong about everything.

If that was aimed at me, my post basically merely reiterated something Cpl Crud once said...namely that both Hanako and Hisao were to blame for the bad end and it wasn't just Hisao's fault. No need to get defensive.

Nah its cool. I'm used to being told I'm completely wrong when I post a comment or theory. I'm not exactl y what one would call an expert on human behavior.

You shouldn't see it as "being shot down by someone", but merely "someone with a different opinion disagreeing with me". Because that's what it really is.

Guest Poster wrote:You shouldn't see it as "being shot down by someone", but merely "someone with a different opinion disagreeing with me". Because that's what it really is.

Thanks for that. I do tend to feel a bit silly when you disagree. Since to be honest, I respect your opinions a lot.

I'm honored to hear you say that, but opinions are still opinions, respected or not. My opinions aren't gospel either and are sometimes corrected by others as well. There's no need to feel silly.

I got 100% now and I feel genuinely depressed that there isn't any more story thats 'canon' to experience. I'm still enjoying some fanfics though. (Such as Guest Poster's 'Sisterhood')

^I get the sense that shouldn't be talked about much. On the other hand, I do like Grid1.

bhtooefr wrote:

Potato wrote:Shizune: Hisao had basically nothing to do with the conflict, so he's more or less blameless here.

Except, you know, the whole sticking his dick in Misha thing. Which added tons of guilt to the conflict, and is what triggers the bad ending.

That's a non-issue. It's not even discovered and the relationship still implodes quite nicely without Hisao's help.

pandaphil wrote:Apparently we're both wrong about everything.

If it's true that you're wrong about everything, then even the claim that you're wrong about everything is wrong...Which proves the claim, thus making you right about that. Which disproves the claim, making you wrong. Which proves it right yet again. I've gone cross-eyed.