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someguy1294 wrote:I didn't play through Shizune's route (yet), so I don't know what her central problem is and how Hisao helps to resolve it (or if he does), so I can't speak on that one.

Hisao...kinda helps out there. Somebody else might do so eventually if he didn't, so he's still not strictly needed there.

Atario wrote: I'd like to offer that the good effect Hisao has on Lilly in her route is that she learns the importance of being open and honest and more assertive. Without that, she could become a meeker person, especially living more directly under the shadow and control of her parents.

Hmm... now, when you put it like that, the routes besides Lilly's seem to put her in a much worse place than the other girls. One could argue that something will come along and jar Lilly out of her meekness in Hisao's place, but when you bring up the point of her living that close to her parents (whom, if Akira is to be trusted, don't really care about her) things look pretty grim.

Kind of had me confused by labeling it "Worst".

But I would say both of Rin's bad endings, with the Second one being the worse of the two. Both are entirely heart-wrenching, and sad.

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Post-snip: review the forum rules. ಠ_ಠ

-nods, and apologizes-

Must have missed that one, Sir Cook.

Anyway. I'll elaborate a bit more on why I feel the endings I mentioned are the "worst".

I feel Rin's 2nd ending, not only because of the somewhat implied, yet Aura denied (If Aura denies his character being like that, that's what I'll go with.) suicidal Rin, but because of just how empty and lost she seems. I think in her mind, she had thought she figured things out a bit more, and was making that bridge to Hisao (potentially)...but then it just collapsed and she's left feeling entirely blank and hopeless. I feel as if the other girls poor endings at least looked more...promising for their futures than her at that time, due to her state of mind and how distant she is. Emi may be her friend, but they have a huge gap between them. And what about after school?


So, that is why Rin's 2nd ending, is what I would say is the "worst".

Kenji.

I mean, don't get me wrong - the girls' bad endings are much more heart-wrenching. But Hisao is alive, and has a life ahead of him in which there is the potential to move on. I've been through breakups myself, and as horrible as they are, you find a way to move on.

In the Kenji ending, Hisao DIES. Yes, it's not as emotionally-crushing as, say, Rin "forgetting" you or Lily leaving you to go live in Scotland, but objectively it's basically the worst possible thing that can happen to him. You can live through a breakup, but you can't live through death.

d2r wrote: you can't live through death.

Because people die when they are killed.

someguy1294 wrote:

d2r wrote: you can't live through death.

Because people die when they are killed.

I'm given to understand that being killed is a sufficient condition for one's dying. :p

I put Hanako and Kenji, but I also really wanted to put Emi too. I'm not sure if this is because she was my first bad end and I was a bit jarred or if it was because I'd feel horrible anyway the way she cut contact >.<

d2r wrote:

someguy1294 wrote:

d2r wrote: you can't live through death.

Because people die when they are killed.

I'm given to understand that being killed is a sufficient condition for one's dying. :p

lol it's a VN reference XD

pisceanreve wrote:

d2r wrote:

someguy1294 wrote:Because people die when they are killed.

I'm given to understand that being killed is a sufficient condition for one's dying. :p

lol it's a VN reference XD

Actually it's a reference to a badly done fansub.