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Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:I liked that the sex scenes weren't there strictly for the purpose of being, to use Xanatos' word, 'fappable' (as they are in-- let's be honest-- most similar games. At least the ones that I've seen). I totally appreciate that, because it's so easy to let that be the mindless goal of stupid dating sims (which to me, is most if not all of them). In KS, the sex scenes weren't the goal or reward in and of themselves, though they coincided and coexisted with the desired goal-- to achieve a happy and successful relationship with the girl in question. The story makes you want that more than the sex. I think that's really what sets KS apart from other shitty dating sims.

Did you just call KS a dating sim? Run...

You're saying it's not?

Banryu wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:I liked that the sex scenes weren't there strictly for the purpose of being, to use Xanatos' word, 'fappable' (as they are in-- let's be honest-- most similar games. At least the ones that I've seen). I totally appreciate that, because it's so easy to let that be the mindless goal of stupid dating sims (which to me, is most if not all of them). In KS, the sex scenes weren't the goal or reward in and of themselves, though they coincided and coexisted with the desired goal-- to achieve a happy and successful relationship with the girl in question. The story makes you want that more than the sex. I think that's really what sets KS apart from other shitty dating sims.

Did you just call KS a dating sim? Run...

You're saying it's not?

I seem to remember it was a pretty hot/loaded topic for a while.

Banryu wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:I liked that the sex scenes weren't there strictly for the purpose of being, to use Xanatos' word, 'fappable' (as they are in-- let's be honest-- most similar games. At least the ones that I've seen). I totally appreciate that, because it's so easy to let that be the mindless goal of stupid dating sims (which to me, is most if not all of them). In KS, the sex scenes weren't the goal or reward in and of themselves, though they coincided and coexisted with the desired goal-- to achieve a happy and successful relationship with the girl in question. The story makes you want that more than the sex. I think that's really what sets KS apart from other shitty dating sims.

Did you just call KS a dating sim? Run...

You're saying it's not?

I don't particularly care either way but there are those around who will fight you to the death over the distinction between a romantically-inclined VN and a dating sim.

Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:

Xanatos wrote: Did you just call KS a dating sim? Run...

You're saying it's not?

I don't particularly care either way but there are those around who will fight you to the death over the distinction between a romantically-inclined VN and a dating sim.

Pfeh. I don't see why it can't be called both. On a purely literal basis, I could make a case for both.

If anything, I'd think that being able to be called a 'dating sim' would be a point of pride for Katawa Shoujo-- it's evidence that such a thing as a good dating sim can, in fact, exist. (I wouldn't have believed it myself it I hadn't experienced it... ~___~)

Banryu wrote:Pfeh. I don't see why it can't be called both. On a purely literal basis, I could make a case for both.

If anything, I'd think that being able to be called a 'dating sim' would be a point of pride for Katawa Shoujo-- it's evidence that such a thing as a good dating sim can, in fact, exist. (I wouldn't have believed it myself it I hadn't experienced it... ~___~)

Because it technically isn't both and a certain obsessive type will die trying to prove that. xD

And plenty of good dating sims exist. That's not really some new thing...

Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:Pfeh. I don't see why it can't be called both. On a purely literal basis, I could make a case for both.

If anything, I'd think that being able to be called a 'dating sim' would be a point of pride for Katawa Shoujo-- it's evidence that such a thing as a good dating sim can, in fact, exist. (I wouldn't have believed it myself it I hadn't experienced it... ~___~)

Because it technically isn't both and a certain obsessive type will die trying to prove that. xD

And plenty of good dating sims exist. That's not really some new thing...

Oh. I guess I just haven't seen them then.

I kind of hold dating sims in the same regard that I hold sports games, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, and CoD-- If you want a real-ass experience, get out into real life and experience it for yourself. Most dating sims that I've seen/played don't really care so much about telling a nice story as they seem to care about getting the player to sex scenes or otherwise just exploiting tropes/fanservice in general. (I guess in that regard KS really does have that more narrative quality to it, then. I'll still call it both, though. :I )

If there are more Katawa Shoujos out there, I'd love to know some of them. :0

Banryu wrote:

Xanatos wrote:

Banryu wrote:Pfeh. I don't see why it can't be called both. On a purely literal basis, I could make a case for both.

If anything, I'd think that being able to be called a 'dating sim' would be a point of pride for Katawa Shoujo-- it's evidence that such a thing as a good dating sim can, in fact, exist. (I wouldn't have believed it myself it I hadn't experienced it... ~___~)

Because it technically isn't both and a certain obsessive type will die trying to prove that. xD

And plenty of good dating sims exist. That's not really some new thing...

Oh. I guess I just haven't seen them then.

I kind of hold dating sims in the same regard that I hold sports games, Guitar Hero/Rock Band, and CoD-- If you want a real-ass experience, get out into real life and experience it for yourself. Most dating sims that I've seen/played don't really care so much about telling a nice story as they seem to care about getting the player to sex scenes or otherwise just exploiting tropes/fanservice in general. (I guess in that regard KS really does have that more narrative quality to it, then. I'll still call it both, though. :I )

If there are more Katawa Shoujos out there, I'd love to know some of them. :0

I've never seen one that was like that. But there are plenty of Katawa Shoujos out there. Check the VN thread.

I've only played through/seen the H-scenes for 3 of the routes.
Emi's were meh, It felt like they were kind of just the normal type of interaction between lovers.
Hanako's left a bad taste in my mouth, they felt forced and not necessarily mutual.
Rin's I feel were essential to the story, they were more than just H-scenes to me. They were tender and more than just sex, it was passion, and unleashing Rin's sexuality, a part of herself that could only be unlocked by another person. They really set the uneasy connection between Hisao and Rin.
I couldn't fap to any of the H-scenes in the game, either during or after playing. And after finishing Rin's route haven't been able to force myself to masturbate for close to 2 months. Absolutely zero sex dirve

Sgt Spice wrote:I've only played through/seen the H-scenes for 3 of the routes.
Emi's were meh, It felt like they were kind of just the normal type of interaction between lovers.
Hanako's left a bad taste in my mouth, they felt forced and not necessarily mutual.
Rin's I feel were essential to the story, they were more than just H-scenes to me. They were tender and more than just sex, it was passion, and unleashing Rin's sexuality, a part of herself that could only be unlocked by another person. They really set the uneasy connection between Hisao and Rin.
I couldn't fap to any of the H-scenes in the game, either during or after playing. And after finishing Rin's route haven't been able to force myself to masturbate for close to 2 months. Absolutely zero sex dirve

While it's very uncomfortable to talk about masturbating out in the open, I feel that it's sort of an exception here. I would never masturbate to this game. Just thinking about it kinda makes me uncomfortable... But yeah, the scenes aren't really sexy in the way full fledged porn is. It feels like more then that. It feels... right. You know how porn is kinda discrete and something you're not comfortable talking about with others? (I'm a special case since I'm a huge perv) With the H-scenes in this game, it doesn't feel like that. It doesn't feel like you're looking at something "naughty", for lack of better words. It just feels natural. It's incredibly hard for me to explain, but to me, this game isn't porn. It's not even erotic. It's just romantic, and that's actually a great thing.

Also, I think the H-scenes to me are an award. They aren't absolutely necessary, but I don't think I'd be as drawn into the game if they didn't include the H-scenes.

Sgt Spice wrote: I couldn't fap to any of the H-scenes in the game, either during or after playing. And after finishing Rin's route haven't been able to force myself to masturbate for close to 2 months. Absolutely zero sex dirve

If I'm not mistaken, I believe there's a term for it. Katawa Dick Syndrome".


As for fapping, I admit I thought the first time with Emi on the bed got me a bit hot. But then it was my first play through and I still had no idea what I'd gotten myself into. Normally I find henti and porn kinda uncomfortable and boring. Don't mind them in KS so much, since the y tend to emphasize the feelings rather than just the act. Its a romance novel version of sex.

Sgt Spice wrote:I've only played through/seen the H-scenes for 3 of the routes.
Emi's were meh, It felt like they were kind of just the normal type of interaction between lovers.
Hanako's left a bad taste in my mouth, they felt forced and not necessarily mutual.
Rin's I feel were essential to the story, they were more than just H-scenes to me. They were tender and more than just sex, it was passion, and unleashing Rin's sexuality, a part of herself that could only be unlocked by another person. They really set the uneasy connection between Hisao and Rin.
I couldn't fap to any of the H-scenes in the game, either during or after playing. And after finishing Rin's route haven't been able to force myself to masturbate for close to 2 months. Absolutely zero sex dirve

Hanako's was mutual but for all the wrong reasons. And when I finished 100%, I posted a thread rating the fappability of scenes. Hanako's is not.

Xanatos wrote:Hanako's was mutual but for all the wrong reasons. And when I finished 100%, I posted a thread rating the fappability of scenes. Hanako's is not.

Just gonna put this in spoiler tags just in case.
The only thing that put me off in Hanako's scene was the fact that they hadn't even confessed any feelings for each other yet. I feel Hisao kinda took advantage of her showing her scars and being naked. Kinda makes me sick. But on a scale of hotness, I think it was one of the best. It's the only one that actually shows visible penetration, the others finding some way to cover it up ever so carefully. You see, I'm pretty picky with my hentai.

KeiichiO wrote:

Sgt Spice wrote:I've only played through/seen the H-scenes for 3 of the routes.
Emi's were meh, It felt like they were kind of just the normal type of interaction between lovers.
Hanako's left a bad taste in my mouth, they felt forced and not necessarily mutual.
Rin's I feel were essential to the story, they were more than just H-scenes to me. They were tender and more than just sex, it was passion, and unleashing Rin's sexuality, a part of herself that could only be unlocked by another person. They really set the uneasy connection between Hisao and Rin.
I couldn't fap to any of the H-scenes in the game, either during or after playing. And after finishing Rin's route haven't been able to force myself to masturbate for close to 2 months. Absolutely zero sex dirve

While it's very uncomfortable to talk about masturbating out in the open, I feel that it's sort of an exception here. I would never masturbate to this game. Just thinking about it kinda makes me uncomfortable... But yeah, the scenes aren't really sexy in the way full fledged porn is. It feels like more then that. It feels... right. You know how porn is kinda discrete and something you're not comfortable talking about with others? (I'm a special case since I'm a huge perv) With the H-scenes in this game, it doesn't feel like that. It doesn't feel like you're looking at something "naughty", for lack of better words. It just feels natural. It's incredibly hard for me to explain, but to me, this game isn't porn. It's not even erotic. It's just romantic, and that's actually a great thing.

Also, I think the H-scenes to me are an award. They aren't absolutely necessary, but I don't think I'd be as drawn into the game if they didn't include the H-scenes.

Yeah I know what you mean when you say the H-scenes are different than porn. It doesn't feel naughty because I don't think they were made to get people to jack off, I think they were made to show the love the characters had for each other. I don't view this game in any sexual way at all.

But yeah before playing Ks, I think I had a very unhealthy sex drive, it skewed my view on women and I was fapping to pretty weird things at the end of the day. Then I played Ks and well, I can't look at porn, it feels wrong. No libido, no desire for sex. I don't know when that will change, it definitely will, but not yet.

KeiichiO wrote:The only thing that put me off in Hanako's scene was the fact that they hadn't even confessed any feelings for each other yet. I feel Hisao kinda took advantage of her showing her scars and being naked. Kinda makes me sick. But on a scale of hotness, I think it was one of the best. It's the only one that actually shows visible penetration, the others finding some way to cover it up ever so carefully. You see, I'm pretty picky with my hentai.

This would be a good argument if only it were what actually happened in her route.

Dream wrote:

KeiichiO wrote:The only thing that put me off in Hanako's scene was the fact that they hadn't even confessed any feelings for each other yet. I feel Hisao kinda took advantage of her showing her scars and being naked. Kinda makes me sick. But on a scale of hotness, I think it was one of the best. It's the only one that actually shows visible penetration, the others finding some way to cover it up ever so carefully. You see, I'm pretty picky with my hentai.

This would be a good argument if only it were what actually happened in her route.

I'm sorry, I don't quite understand... Could you evaluate? ...