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FelOnyx wrote:

Atario wrote:

metalangel wrote:There's a good piece of fanart showing Shizune using tactile to talk to Lilly (Lilly appears shocked by what she's being told)

Are we sure that's what's being depicted? Shizune seems to be lazily playing with Lilly's palm (in a yuri sort of way, thus the shock), to me. Of course that could just be wishful thinking! But I was definitely under the impression that touch signing required both hands to be engaged…

Why not both? Or something between the two, at least. Given the blushing, it's clearly something yuri, but I've always thought that it was a love confession or something of the sort through tactile signing. Any inconsistencies with how tactile signing actually works can be chalked up to artistic licence/ignorance.

Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

brythain wrote:Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

I can definitely see that being the case -- to me, Shizune looks somewhat sad in the picture (especially her eyes). If it is a confession, it's one she knows is doomed to be rejected. It could also be her asking Lilly for help following her bad ending, and Lilly being shocked that she's willing to do that. That would be embarrassing enough to cause them to blush as well, I'd say.

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

I can definitely see that being the case -- to me, Shizune looks somewhat sad in the picture (especially her eyes). If it is a confession, it's one she knows is doomed to be rejected. It could also be her asking Lilly for help following her bad ending, and Lilly being shocked that she's willing to do that. That would be embarrassing enough to cause them to blush as well, I'd say.

That's an interesting call. It relies on Lilly being around at that point in time, which is clearly a Shizune-ending divergence flag relative to the Lilly/Hanako timeline. There's fanfic potential there!

brythain wrote:

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

I can definitely see that being the case -- to me, Shizune looks somewhat sad in the picture (especially her eyes). If it is a confession, it's one she knows is doomed to be rejected. It could also be her asking Lilly for help following her bad ending, and Lilly being shocked that she's willing to do that. That would be embarrassing enough to cause them to blush as well, I'd say.

That's an interesting call. It relies on Lilly being around at that point in time, which is clearly a Shizune-ending divergence flag relative to the Lilly/Hanako timeline. There's fanfic potential there!

Eh, I've already written fanfic to explain why Lilly only leaves in her own route, so that part's easy . However, Shizune being so desperate as to approach Lilly about her troubles with her only two friends, while not knowing why the troubles exist? Yeah, that's a potential classic waiting to happen .

Atario wrote:

metalangel wrote:There's a good piece of fanart showing Shizune using tactile to talk to Lilly (Lilly appears shocked by what she's being told)

Are we sure that's what's being depicted? Shizune seems to be lazily playing with Lilly's palm (in a yuri sort of way, thus the shock), to me. Of course that could just be wishful thinking! But I was definitely under the impression that touch signing required both hands to be engaged…

They're using the Deafblind Manual Alphabet. That uses only one hand of the speaker touching the open hand of the listener. It's just A-Z plus Yes and No, so everything has to be spelled out, but it is a way for the two of them to communicate with each other. In the fanfic the image inspired, Shizune is confessing to Lilly.

I'll look through my intervenor literature to see if there's any two handed methods that would work, but since Lilly is and likely always has been blind, the two handed technique (hands-on) wouldn't work since she wouldn't have the background in a visual language like sign to be able to understand it by movement.

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

I can definitely see that being the case -- to me, Shizune looks somewhat sad in the picture (especially her eyes). If it is a confession, it's one she knows is doomed to be rejected. It could also be her asking Lilly for help following her bad ending, and Lilly being shocked that she's willing to do that. That would be embarrassing enough to cause them to blush as well, I'd say.

Uh...Whose eyes are you looking at? O.o I see no sadness...

300BillionDegrees wrote:They're using the Deafblind Manual Alphabet. That uses only one hand of the speaker touching the open hand of the listener. It's just A-Z plus Yes and No

But… that's English. Wouldn't they be using something Japanese?

Shizune is confessing to Lilly.

That's almost the least believable part of the whole thing

metalangel wrote:since Lilly is and likely always has been blind, the two handed technique (hands-on) wouldn't work since she wouldn't have the background in a visual language like sign to be able to understand it by movement.

Why wouldn't she understand movement just because she's blind?

Charmant wrote:

dewelar wrote:

brythain wrote:Maybe it's Shizune telling Lilly that Misha loves her and she's wondering if she can return that love or not.

I can definitely see that being the case -- to me, Shizune looks somewhat sad in the picture (especially her eyes). If it is a confession, it's one she knows is doomed to be rejected. It could also be her asking Lilly for help following her bad ending, and Lilly being shocked that she's willing to do that. That would be embarrassing enough to cause them to blush as well, I'd say.

Uh...Whose eyes are you looking at? O.o I see no sadness...

*shrug* I do. Her whole face and posture say "resignation" to me. To my mind, if it were a confession, I'd expect she'd be using both of her hands to hold Lilly's rather than absent-mindedly tracing with one. This is Shizune, after all -- she'd never confess in such a nonchalant manner . YMMV, obviously.

dewelar wrote:This is Shizune, after all -- she'd never confess in such a nonchalant manner . YMMV, obviously.

Maybe, but she'd probably pretend to be nonchalant just so she could act all aloof and unphased if the confession's rejected.

Charmant wrote:

dewelar wrote:This is Shizune, after all -- she'd never confess in such a nonchalant manner . YMMV, obviously.

Maybe, but she'd probably pretend to be nonchalant just so she could act all aloof and unphased if the confession's rejected.

Or she's just luring Lilly into a trap for when she says yes.

Atario wrote: Why wouldn't she understand movement just because she's blind?

Do you want a serious answer? Beyond "visual language"?

metalangel wrote:

Atario wrote: Why wouldn't she understand movement just because she's blind?

Do you want a serious answer? Beyond "visual language"?

A blind person is still aware of their own body positioning.

dewelar wrote:

metalangel wrote:

Atario wrote: Why wouldn't she understand movement just because she's blind?

Do you want a serious answer? Beyond "visual language"?

A blind person is still aware of their own body positioning.

True. Otherwise they'd never successfully do anything.

Even people who have been blind since birth understand visual concepts like perspective. Understanding concepts like "moving hands" is much, much easier.

I imagine manual alphabet really sucks, since doing anything letter by letter takes forever. That's one thing that really stuck out at me in the fanfic mentioned. They're talking as if speaking normally, not signing everything letter by letter. The pauses and notes of surprise in the fanfic make no sense when you think about it.