Re: What would you have done if you made the game?
Posted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 5:36 pm
In fact, the VN I played tried to deconstruct her apparent perfection. (It didn't do so completely, but still...) Not sure about the one Numb played...
(Where's the Walkthrough?)
https://ks.fhs.sh/
Concur. Lilly refuses to tell Hanako & Hisao the truth about her leaving to Scotland; Akira has to force her hand by telling Hisao behind her back. ProfAllister referred to her "tendency to defer decisions and authority to others, and refusal to take responsibility for the consequences of these choices", which I think is quite insightful - she lives in denial of the truth, and is too weak to refuse her father's summons. Misleading Hisao about her circumstances by omission is actually quite cruel of her, as well. And before anyone jumps on that point, unintentional cruelty is still cruelty.Guest Poster wrote:I'm kinda surprised people still consider Lilly flawless or next to flawless. It's like saying that Emi's carefree.I'd have given Lilly a more flawed character. Hated the whole perfect air around her, made her my least favourite character because of it. Likely would've had her tend to a garden because she likes the smell and texture of flowers. No idea what I could do with that, but it's an idea.
Yeah, but Prof tends to favor Shizune and paint Lilly in a bad light, so I'd take those words with a grain of salt.ProfAllister referred to her "tendency to defer decisions and authority to others, and refusal to take responsibility for the consequences of these choices"
He had a point, though.Oddball wrote:Yeah, but Prof tends to favor Shizune and paint Lilly in a bad light, so I'd take those words with a grain of salt.ProfAllister referred to her "tendency to defer decisions and authority to others, and refusal to take responsibility for the consequences of these choices"
What exactly are you referring to? Her getting her class involved with preparations for the festival or her actually listening to her parents?d2r wrote:He had a point, though.Oddball wrote:Yeah, but Prof tends to favor Shizune and paint Lilly in a bad light, so I'd take those words with a grain of salt.ProfAllister referred to her "tendency to defer decisions and authority to others, and refusal to take responsibility for the consequences of these choices"
I think that's a false dichotomy. Her central failing is the fact she wasn't honest about Hisao (or Hanako) with the fact that she was leaving. That's kind of a big deal, after all, and in a sense she was leading Hisao on by not being honest about the fact that she had to leave & thus their relationship would be cut short. Again: I don't think this means she's a terrible person or anything. It just means she's realistically flawed, ergo not a Mary-Sue, a super girlfriend, or whatever other such terms people tend to bandy about when criticizing her route's writing.Oddball wrote:What exactly are you referring to? Her getting her class involved with preparations for the festival or her actually listening to her parents?
If it's the first, she isn't doing anything that Shizune doesn't do herself, and if it's the second listening to your parents is hardly a major character fault.
Except those wouldn't be in mind. KS as-is does not exist at all yet in this scenario.Megumeru wrote:With those in mind...
There's nothing wrong with deconstructions. Take a fictional idea apart, then write it with more realism. It can be done well, and show how stories can operate when they're played straight, rather than played for comedy or coolness. But I often end up asking "To what end?" What is the author's reason for taking this approach? If the deconstruction only references one or two works of fiction, then wouldn't it be better to write a general story instead? Also, if the writer just creates a story in which everything is unhappy / horrible / pointless, then they have missed the point.dewelar wrote: Once that was in place, I think the idea of deconstructing some of the various VN cliches is an excellent one...
One thing I've suggested on the Lemma Soft forum to other writers: consider letting your story occur near where you live (or have lived). I know, I know... maybe you think your hometown is boring. But it might be interesting for someone who lives in another nation, or on another continent. Furthermore, take the time to add relevant details to your setting. Portray it in a clever way. For example, I might not be able to accurately show all the details of Chicago-area neighborhoods. But I could probably create a fictional suburb, or fictionalize part of the city.dewelar wrote: I'd probably be more inclined to base the story somewhere other than Japan, since my knowledge of Japanese culture was much more limited before encountering KS. I have this tendency to try and do something nobody else has done, so I might have based it in Sydney or Johannesburg or somewhere else that's underutilized...
Others may be slightly disappointed.KeiichiO wrote:footjob scene. Some may be thankful that I wasn't a 4chaner around the time of Katawa Shoujo's development.
I'm disappointed that anyone is on 4chan ever because it sucks. But I digress.SpunkySix wrote:Others may be slightly disappointed.KeiichiO wrote:footjob scene. Some may be thankful that I wasn't a 4chaner around the time of Katawa Shoujo's development.
That might have seemed like a joke, but yeah, I was totally serious just to be clear. I'm kind of shocked that it didn't happen.Potato wrote:I'm disappointed that anyone is on 4chan ever because it sucks. But I digress.SpunkySix wrote:Others may be slightly disappointed.KeiichiO wrote:footjob scene. Some may be thankful that I wasn't a 4chaner around the time of Katawa Shoujo's development.
My take on not-Rin's route would probably have such a scene as well.
You mean the other devs? Or just the general public?Aura wrote:Hey, even I wrote a footjob scene because it was expected of me to write one. I just never wanted to put it in the actual story.
as much as I find feet strangely un-boner-tastic, I'd read it for shits and giggles.Aura wrote:Hey, even I wrote a footjob scene because it was expected of me to write one. I just never wanted to put it in the actual story.