Katawa Shoujo.

[bhtooefr]

Well, identifying as neither male nor female also counts as genderqueer...

But, guy refers to gender, gender is decoupled from genitals and chromosomes. (Hell, genitals and chromosomes aren't even perfectly linked.)

[Silentcook]

...WTF are you even discussing here at this point? I'm starting to get genuinely confused.

[Steinherz]

...WTF are you even discussing here at this point? I'm starting to get genuinely confused.

Someone, somehow, somewhere turned this into a discussion about gender.

I believe it was due to this comment:

I guess that's how Emi like's em -- lots of testosterone, not so much in the cranium.

And it kind of... ended up here.

Can we rerail this and not get any more into the *sarcasm* incredibly lovely */sarcasm* discussion about gender identities?

[KeiichiO]

That actually doesn't determine whether Shizune's a guy or not. That said, she identifies as female, so she isn't a guy, regardless of what genitals she was born with or what genitals she currently has.

Also, ovaries and the adrenal glands do secrete testosterone.

(Now, if we're going to discuss the gender of the various characters... I'll make the argument that the only non-cis character that we know of is Rin, who is arguably genderqueer - they've been known to identify as both male and female.)

Yes, we know about gender identities. I have trouble identifying myself. But what it all comes down to, if you have a penis, you're probably a male, and if you have a vagina, you're most likely a female. Shizune and Rin are both female, and do not deny this in any way. I think we'd know if one of our heroines was transgender.(I'd suspect Misha above anyone else)

Now, what was this topic's purpose again??