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Xanatos wrote:

Tang wrote:

Xanatos wrote: Where was this implied at all?

Sorry, I meant "hinted", just in the scene originally posted here.
I wonder if TheHiveMind is just screwing with us... in hindsight, it's possible that that's why Misha is so obsessed with Emi's PDAs.

...Okay. So where was it hinted at? Incomplete fragments of a scene answer nothing. I see no hints in the pieces posted here.

I suppose I should stop being lazy... I did a lot of reading between the lines. This is my last chance to redeem my reasoning skills, so I will try to outline my thought processes without skipping anything.

First, some more generally-agreed-upon statements to start with:
1. Misha is lesbian, and she implies that she has had sex with a girl before in her special scene.
2. Emi brings up Misha's "reasons" for being around Shizune
3. Emi says "If I didn't know why..." and then "No idea".

It was fairly likely she'd had a small slip of the tongue bringing up Misha, and didn't want to discuss her lesbianism before recreationally procreating with Hisao.

In the same way that many people assume Kenji and Yuuko got it on, I thought that Emi could have been directly "involved" when she discovered Misha's sexuality, particularly since she's so adventurous. Like the aforementioned theory, it's just a guess (but one that could also spawn some "fanart" ).

Of course, the other possibility is that Emi wanted to trim the fat out of this "pre-marathon stretching", and just get to the running. I get it if you disagree and think it's just Emi being gossipy.

3. Emi says "If I didn't know why..." and then "No idea". It was evident she'd had a small slip of the tongue bringing up Misha, and didn't want to discuss her lesbianism before recreationally procreating with Hisao.

So why the scenario of Emi (who has shown no interest in girls at any point in the story) having bedded Misha considered more likely than the scenario of Misha's haircut and the reason behind it being thrown around Yamaku's rumor mill and lots of students picking up on it? Really, I might be more inclined to accepting your theory if the alternative wasn't a whole lot more likely.

pandaphil wrote:As for Lilly, I can see her getting love letters and causing crushes from other girls at the school. Doesn't mean she'd accept any of them.

Oh no... I can't imagine this...

Lilly: "Hanako, what's that on the table? Did the beloved student council president drop off more papers for me?"
Hanako: "I-I-it's a... another letter. F-from your lovers."
Hanako cast her gaze downward, her judgment clouded by shame and self-pity at having to read another letter, written for someone else.
Lilly pauses, concentration furrowing her brow.
Lilly: "Read it, Hanako."
Hanako shivers. She knows Lilly would stop at nothing to get past her blindness, but she didn't want to read this one...
Hanako: "My d-d-dearest Lilly... I k-know things ended pretty abruptly, b-but..."

Lilly: "ANOTHER LOVE LETTER?"

Hanako retreated to the door, afraid of Lilly's drunken rant.

Lilly: "GET MY FATHER ON THE PHONE!"
Hanako: "I HATE YOU AND SHIZUNE AND IWANAKO AND YOUR STUPID LOVE LIFE!"
Shizune: "..."
Misha: "WAHAHA~!"

*cue silent credits*

Tang wrote:I will try to outline my thought processes without skipping anything.

So...Because Emi knows about Misha's issues and almost let slip some gossip, she and Misha fucked?

...Wat.

Guest Poster wrote:

3. Emi says "If I didn't know why..." and then "No idea". It was evident she'd had a small slip of the tongue bringing up Misha, and didn't want to discuss her lesbianism before recreationally procreating with Hisao.

So why the scenario of Emi (who has shown no interest in girls at any point in the story) having bedded Misha considered more likely than the scenario of Misha's haircut and the reason behind it being thrown around Yamaku's rumor mill and lots of students picking up on it? Really, I might be more inclined to accepting your theory if the alternative wasn't a whole lot more likely.

It's possible for both to co-exist, isn't it? At the very least, the ordered points I gave weren't that flexible... either way, Emi brought it up and kicked it under the metaphorical bed again. You're quite right, it's quite likely that there's the rumour mill component to this.

Based on what Emi said about the track captain and his preaching habits, it seems unlikely that Emi only heard about anal on the evening before it happened. This shows that Emi is capable of not talking about anal, even when she is curious about it (or no longer curious). Similarly, Emi could just exercise (huehue) some self-control and not talk about being interested in girls, when her boyfriend (or anyone, for that matter) is around/existent .

Xanatos wrote:

Tang wrote:I will try to outline my thought processes without skipping anything.

So...Because Emi knows about Misha's issues and almost let slip some gossip, she and Misha fucked?

...Wat.

What I did was list the points that I thought were mostly accepted. From there, I said that there were different interpretations, and I gave my interpretation. I also said that it's not concrete like the numbered points I started with.

I'm not sure why you have to be so defensive against this theory. If you think she just has this gossip on her mind, that's fine. But please don't try to bend my words to make me look like an illogical heretic of the Cult of Emi.

Tang wrote:I'm not sure why you have to be so defensive against this theory.

Because your "theory" is based on unsupported speculation and sounds generally ridiculous.

And please go learn what "defensive" means because you're using it wrong. There is no defense happening here.

3. Emi says "If I didn't know why..." and then "No idea". It was evident she'd had a small slip of the tongue bringing up Misha, and didn't want to discuss her lesbianism before recreationally procreating with Hisao.

To me it seems like either she had a slip of tongue or she assumed Hisao knew about Misha's orientation, and when she realized he didn't she felt it wasn't her place to tell him. There's neither a hint nor an implication that Emi is also bisexual.

On the other hand Emi explicitly did say that she "dated a guy" during her second year. Not a girl, not several people. A guy. Singular and masculinum.
So I guess your theory is shot.

This thread is great.

Carry on.

TheHivemind wrote:This thread is great.

Carry on.

For some reason, this made laugh so hard...

(I look forward to a detailed analysis of Hivemind's post, with much back and forth about whether or not he is subtly lending credence to this theory.)

TheHivemind wrote:This thread is great.

Carry on.

Hey, it's that feminist Kenji hater. Hi!

TheHivemind wrote:This thread is great.

Carry on.

In hindsight, I can't say I agree with what I said earlier today... sigh. Or perhaps yesterday, depending on the time zone stuff.

Now for the detailed analysis. The track captain said that anal is great. Beyond than that observation, I'm done. So thanks for forgiving an old man's amusements.

TheHivemind wrote:This thread is great.

Carry on.

We're being followed. To Kenji's bunker!
Oh wait, no girls. How do we reproduce?
Wait, he thought Rin was a guy.

Hivemind, you forgot the "/popcorn"!

(edit)
Actually, obviously Emi is bisexual: Never say "I can't do it"!!

I'll be honest, I think the concept of Emi swinging both ways is completely possible. I don't think there's anything to specifically support she's done so, but her personality and the fact that we know she's willing to try anything at least once lends credence to the possibility.

But as for Misha, I don't see it as being incredibly likely that she hooked up with Emi in the past. I get the impression that she's basically had a crush on Shizune as long as they've known each other, and she confessed somewhere in their freshman year (That may or may not have been outright stated, I don't remember - also, forgive my application of American nomenclature to the Japanese school system).

The thing is, Misha clearly didn't move on from Shizune, she just kinda spent her time with her, hoping it would be enough for her. For her to have hooked up with another girl would mean that she got over Shizune, which we see pretty clearly is not the case. For her to have hooked up with another girl would mean she's open to relationships, and for her to be in a relationship she'd have to be close to someone other than the girl she spends all of her time with.

Emi x Misha isn't impossible. And come to think of it, I ship that pretty hard. But from Misha's side of the bridge, I don't think it's very likely to have actually happened. Naturally someone is going to say I'm reading too far into it, and indeed I am, but that's partially because I'm trying to logically defend a gut feeling - Misha was too hung up on Shizune to try getting with another girl, Emi included.