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>mfw that ending

Yellow 13 wrote:>mfw that ending
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Lucky bastard got it to run fullscreen!

pandaphil wrote:I wonder if maybe we need some sort of sticky "First time feels" topic where new members can come to pour out their hearts.

Cut the guy some slack. I'm sure each one of us was a bit rambley our first few days here.

Nah. I have my doubts as to whether somebody that makes a topic like that would go look for the first time feels topicif it existed.

Just cut the new guys some slack. You should be welcoming people rather than criticizing them.

Anyway, welcome to the party, Kan.

Tomate wrote: I dont know, man. Shizune's ending seems more "real" and closest to an average relationship. Lilly's ending is way more soup-opera like. its dramatic, full of tension, people running wildly, international flights, love confessions on a hospital bed, a teenage love that endures a series of surreal tribulations and then they are happy ever after.

I don't belivie such things are "Close to average".

Notice that at least half the drama and tension came from Hisao's own narration. I swear he can describe an ordinary piece of rock into something dramatic. Having said that, art imitates life and Lily's story imitates so many other drama serials around the world.

I dont know, man. Shizune's ending seems more "real" and closest to an average relationship.

It felt more real, but it didn't feel anything like an actual relationship to me. They just kinda hung out together all year.

Oddball wrote:

I dont know, man. Shizune's ending seems more "real" and closest to an average relationship.

It felt more real, but it didn't feel anything like an actual relationship to me. They just kinda hung out together all year.

I preferred Emi's "friends who fuck" relationship
Sure it got better by the end but that was already pretty good

Enemy | wrote:

Oddball wrote:

I dont know, man. Shizune's ending seems more "real" and closest to an average relationship.

It felt more real, but it didn't feel anything like an actual relationship to me. They just kinda hung out together all year.

I preferred Emi's "friends who fuck" relationship
Sure it got better by the end but that was already pretty good

At least it got better, Shizune just feels exactly like a 'friends who fuck' relationship, which isnt really bad except for it not fitting within the whole of KS imo.
'rant'
The only obstacle in that whole relationship( except for her personality in general) is optional and decides whether you get the bad or good ending. And what annoys me as well is that that obstacle isn't even ever brought up again, sure it indirectly changed things but it just annoyed me that it wasn't even the reason the relationship ended
'rant over'
(i don't like Shizune if you hadn't noticed , her story was decent though)

Enemy | wrote:

Oddball wrote:

I dont know, man. Shizune's ending seems more "real" and closest to an average relationship.

It felt more real, but it didn't feel anything like an actual relationship to me. They just kinda hung out together all year.

I preferred Emi's "friends who fuck" relationship
Sure it got better by the end but that was already pretty good

It was actually what Emi wanted. It was Hisao who wanted to push the relationship further. It's up to you to guide him so that he doesn't botch it.

sasquatch wrote:
At least it got better, Shizune just feels exactly like a 'friends who fuck' relationship, which isnt really bad except for it not fitting within the whole of KS imo.
'rant'
The only obstacle in that whole relationship( except for her personality in general) is optional and decides whether you get the bad or good ending. And what annoys me as well is that that obstacle isn't even ever brought up again, sure it indirectly changed things but it just annoyed me that it wasn't even the reason the relationship ended
'rant over'
(i don't like Shizune if you hadn't noticed , her story was decent though)

Ultimately, Hisao didn't change Shizune's biggest flaw: Her pride and by extension, her habit of seeing everything as a competition. If even her boyfriend can't change that, I can safely say that it is all up to her to change her bad habits.

Oddball wrote:Just cut the new guys some slack. You should be welcoming people rather than criticizing them.

Yeah, this wasn't exactly the warmest reception ever.

sasquatch wrote:
At least it got better, Shizune just feels exactly like a 'friends who fuck' relationship, which isnt really bad except for it not fitting within the whole of KS imo.
'rant'
The only obstacle in that whole relationship( except for her personality in general) is optional and decides whether you get the bad or good ending. And what annoys me as well is that that obstacle isn't even ever brought up again, sure it indirectly changed things but it just annoyed me that it wasn't even the reason the relationship ended
'rant over'
(i don't like Shizune if you hadn't noticed , her story was decent though)

Ultimately, Hisao didn't change Shizune's biggest flaw: Her pride and by extension, her habit of seeing everything as a competition. If even her boyfriend can't change that, I can safely say that it is all up to her to change her bad habits.[/quote]

I guess so, but in a gaming sense, not being able to change anything about her story line kind of ticked me off.

As a matter of fact i think i want to start a Shizune rant thread because i just didn't like/relate with her AT ALL. She's even annoying in her own story and that's saying something, she has no character development outside chapter 1, and her one redeeming moment isn't even in her story line.(spoiler from hanako line btw)
When she seems genuinly concerned about Hanako when Hanako has a a panic attack in class, and this is only redeeming if you actually know her character, because else any normal person would indeed be concerned about Hanako. It's redeeming because she sets her differences with Lilly aside for a minute and looks at the bigger picture.

But that's it i have yet to find other things i like about her, so any Shizune fanboys can come correct me because i would like to like her but just can't seem to :s.

sasquatch wrote: I guess so, but in a gaming sense, not being able to change anything about her story line kind of ticked me off.

As a matter of fact i think i want to start a Shizune rant thread because i just didn't like/relate with her AT ALL. She's even annoying in her own story and that's saying something, she has no character development outside chapter 1, and her one redeeming moment isn't even in her story line.(spoiler from hanako line btw)
When she seems genuinly concerned about Hanako when Hanako has a a panic attack in class, and this is only redeeming if you actually know her character, because else any normal person would indeed be concerned about Hanako. It's redeeming because she sets her differences with Lilly aside for a minute and looks at the bigger picture.

But that's it i have yet to find other things i like about her, so any Shizune fanboys can come correct me because i would like to like her but just can't seem to :s.

I'm pretty far from a Shizune fan but I wouldn't say that's her only redeeming moment. In Lilly's route when they out aside their differences in right before Lilly leaves, that was a pretty nice moment for her too.

Also, the fishing trip is the one time her competitive nature actually comes across as cute.

Oddball wrote:

sasquatch wrote: I guess so, but in a gaming sense, not being able to change anything about her story line kind of ticked me off.

As a matter of fact i think i want to start a Shizune rant thread because i just didn't like/relate with her AT ALL. She's even annoying in her own story and that's saying something, she has no character development outside chapter 1, and her one redeeming moment isn't even in her story line.(spoiler from hanako line btw)
When she seems genuinly concerned about Hanako when Hanako has a a panic attack in class, and this is only redeeming if you actually know her character, because else any normal person would indeed be concerned about Hanako. It's redeeming because she sets her differences with Lilly aside for a minute and looks at the bigger picture.

But that's it i have yet to find other things i like about her, so any Shizune fanboys can come correct me because i would like to like her but just can't seem to :s.

I'm pretty far from a Shizune fan but I wouldn't say that's her only redeeming moment. In Lilly's route when they out aside their differences in right before Lilly leaves, that was a pretty nice moment for her too.

Also, the fishing trip is the one time her competitive nature actually comes across as cute.

The scary thing was that it took Hisao to effect the change, as Shizune really wanted to help Hisao overcome his unhappiness, and by then he was firmly in love with Lily.

As for the fishing trip, I credit Akira. The lass knows how to turn Shizune's streak into something more useful.

Oddball wrote:

sasquatch wrote: I guess so, but in a gaming sense, not being able to change anything about her story line kind of ticked me off.

As a matter of fact i think i want to start a Shizune rant thread because i just didn't like/relate with her AT ALL. She's even annoying in her own story and that's saying something, she has no character development outside chapter 1, and her one redeeming moment isn't even in her story line.(spoiler from hanako line btw)
When she seems genuinly concerned about Hanako when Hanako has a a panic attack in class, and this is only redeeming if you actually know her character, because else any normal person would indeed be concerned about Hanako. It's redeeming because she sets her differences with Lilly aside for a minute and looks at the bigger picture.

But that's it i have yet to find other things i like about her, so any Shizune fanboys can come correct me because i would like to like her but just can't seem to :s.

I'm pretty far from a Shizune fan but I wouldn't say that's her only redeeming moment. In Lilly's route when they out aside their differences in right before Lilly leaves, that was a pretty nice moment for her too.

Also, the fishing trip is the one time her competitive nature actually comes across as cute.

Meh, i always find working out differences solely based on the fact that one is leaving to be kind of pointless, like confessing your sins on your deathbed( seriously why even bother)
And maybe i'm just weird but i still didn't find her competitiveness cute in the fishing trip

YZQ wrote:Ultimately, Hisao didn't change Shizune's biggest flaw: Her pride and by extension, her habit of seeing everything as a competition. If even her boyfriend can't change that, I can safely say that it is all up to her to change her bad habits.

But that's it i have yet to find other things i like about her, so any Shizune fanboys can come correct me because i would like to like her but just can't seem to :s.

Why would Hisao change her? Better yet, why would she change herself? Shizune pride and competitiveness are part of her, its not just a small quirk, its major part of her. Lilly did not stop being well educated and classy, Rim did not start to make sense.

Hisao has to learn to live with her the way she is, of course, a relationship can and will change people, but generally its just the small things not the core. Have you been watching Grease?

Shizunes reaction to Hisao is very different from the other girls, it seems like everyone has lots of troubles and they are just waiting for Hisao to come along and fix then, all girls are like puzzles, bit by bit Hisao unravels then a by the ending everything is fine. Thats ok, its a romantic plot.

But Shizune does not use this formula, she has problems, everyone does, but she wont burden Hisao with her problems, she does not offer a puzzle of sorts to Hisao to unravel, she pretty much shows a map or a picture and says "This is me". Misha is the one with the puzzle parts, but Hisao wont notice it until the last act. This can be awkward for a romantic plot, but i really dig this. It feels more real.

Tomate wrote:Why would Hisao change her? Better yet, why would she change herself? Shizune pride and competitiveness are part of her, its not just a small quirk, its major part of her. Lilly did not stop being well educated and classy, Rim did not start to make sense.

Hisao has to learn to live with her the way she is, of course, a relationship can and will change people, but generally its just the small things not the core. Have you been watching Grease?

Shizunes reaction to Hisao is very different from the other girls, it seems like everyone has lots of troubles and they are just waiting for Hisao to come along and fix then, all girls are like puzzles, bit by bit Hisao unravels then a by the ending everything is fine. Thats ok, its a romantic plot.

But Shizune does not use this formula, she has problems, everyone does, but she wont burden Hisao with her problems, she does not offer a puzzle of sorts to Hisao to unravel, she pretty much shows a map or a picture and says "This is me". Misha is the one with the puzzle parts, but Hisao wont notice it until the last act. This can be awkward for a romantic plot, but i really dig this. It feels more real.

^ All of this. And also, Grease is awful.