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atat wrote:
I detest Hanako, probably for the very reason you like her. I don't see 'she's hard to not like' in any fashion, detestable even for me. Lilly on the other hand speaks her mind, there is nothing wrong with that (she is just more polite about it than Shizune.)
For one thing, Hanako isn't actually high on my list. Lilly as well. I was only theorizing that
Lilly fans might like Hanako because they are together a lot and are so close. Personally, I sympathize with her character because of the trauma she's gone through.
And generally, she
is hard not to like. Just ask her legions of fans. Thanks to that poll we know she's the most popular. You don't like her. That's fine.
Still, you say you 'detest' her. Mind giving off a reason? A little meat to your argument?
Mirage_GSM wrote:About ranking statistics: I have the feeling that Emi and Shizune tend to end up at opposite ends of the popularity spectrum - they sure do in mine. Maybe Panty Supervisor could check that with his database
Not for me, Shizune is first and Emi is second. I like the both of them because they are active and passionate about what they do. They definitely take the lead with Hisao.[/quote]
Easy:
1) White knight syndrome is a crutch, and one I never like. The idea that you will swoop in and save some one from their self, is in itself detestable. To assume you know better than they do, on how to live. To be sure, there are times when people need others to help them, but a large chunk of appeal of Hanako comes from the desire to 'save' her.
2) If a person, male or female, does not have the ability to approach me, I see no reason to approach them. There is no book to be opened there. Let them be, I will not fight merely to make you want to just hang out with me. The idea that breaking the shell of a persons shyness, is a good thing? Your being invasive. If a person is shy, you let it be, that's their right. What right do you have to come in an mess up their world, by working hard at it, changing yourself.
3) Following up on the above, It is that exact idea. Hisao, the character says it best 'I feel like I have to wear padded silk gloves' around her. That is a change of ones self, not a good thing. A lot of people read Train Man (Densha Otoko) and see a happy story, I read it and find a story of a man who destroys himself to impress another person. It is true, that in life, one must compromise in relationships, and change is good, but to change your very core, or to make a giant effort to accommodate some with needs like this, is a to large. Maybe she'll change, maybe not, but that is not important, because it is Hisao who has to make the effort to reach out.
For all these reasons, I detest her, and while I know people like this, I barely consider them human. My little 1st cousin, once removed, for example, was scared of me. It is understandable, he is only 3, and I have a big beard, which I know, scares children to some degree. His brother Ryan, now 8, is not, and we interacted fine. My little cousin has an excuse, he is young and has not overcome his basic instincts (though he is a little behind the curve, espically with grandma, auntie, grampa, and great uncle all in the car saying 'He is good guy... blah blah. But I do look kinda mean in the first place naturally). It is the OVERCOMING of instincts which make us human, I don't want to have a relationship with my dog no matter how utterly cute she is (and she is, what a fine animal she is, so adorable, in a way, she acts a lot like Hanako, very shy, rescued pet, but she is just an animal)
PTSD is not to be solved by an incoming stranger. It is this last part that clinches it, a person like her, does not in any way make a believable character to me. Strangely enough I have known people almost identical to the rest, I've dated a Lilly, known quite a few Shizunes (maybe a reason she's low on my list!), a few emi's too, and was very good friends with a perfect Rin, and married a half-Rin (she's like Rin, but only crazy about half the time.)
Moeblob does not make me in anyway attracted to a charter, and Brogurts crazy rant can go fly out the window it came in.
Brogurt wrote:Let me guess, your tastes are simply too refined for us lowly plebeians and sheeple? Or are you gonna pull some of that "I hate the fanbase not the character" nonsense? Or are you just being so shortsighted that you're basing your rankings off of less than the first quarter of the game? And by doing so, assuming that a character who anyone with working brain cells can tell will be pretty dynamic... will, in fact, not change at all?
To end on a more decent note, Lilly is 2nd favorite for me and Rin is 4th, at the moment. Don't really see a correlation there
Lets start at the end, Change? Like I stated above, that's not Hisao's responsibility, and SHOULD not be his responsibility, he is not a white knight, nobody is.
I have no problem with the fanbase, expect maybe one now, though your post in my other recent made topic was spot on in my not so humble opionion. (The one about drinks!).
FInally refined tastes? Hanako is an attempt at subtle, but it pours it on with 10000 pounds of C6H12O6. It has nothing to do with refinement, and everything to do with living!
Long post alert! Oh wait, to late!