Re: To Miss the Mark: An OC Pseudo-Route (Hitomi)
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:40 pm
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She says right after she tell a student that they won't help her and then goes back to playing a board game."Plenty is demanded of the Student Council, and we have many responsibilities over a large portion of the student body's activities,
Mm, yeah I totally see that. What I basically intended was to have Act 1 be mostly made up of scenes that are actually in the VN, but then have them shift when things go differently (due to Hitomi's presence, generally). So scenes where she isn't encountered or a factor at all, I just skipped over. That jump is from Tuesday after school to Thursday after school, but the way I wrote it I totally see how it's confusing. I may add some short intro text to the Thursday scene to smooth the transition. Thank you for pointing it out. And yeah, I had trouble with the scene in Lilly's class, which is why I skipped over portions of it so as to not just rehash the same events, but it was still pretty rough.Oddball wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 12:41 pm There's an odd jump between when Hisao goes to find the library and Hisao helping Hanako look for Lilly. Having played the game, I can more or less fill in the blanks, but just reading it as a story here, it's rather jarring. At first I thought you just didn't want to write out a scene that had already been shown (which is something I usually recommend) but then you go into detail over the scene in Lilly's class. It feels a bit unfocused.
Yeah, this is actually more of a problem for me than you likely realize. I'm aware of it, and a part of my editing process is chopping up overly long sentences. So what you're seeing is AFTER I'm trying to address that issue. It is partly a style thing, but variety helps the flow much better, and I don't really like this part of my writing style. Oh, look, I'm doing it again...
This actually had a little more punch than I intended. I was just trying to justify Hisao going to the nurse, and setting up the 'comedy' scene with Rin, and I added the mirror part as an afterthought. Partly because it adds to Hisao's overall dreariness, and partly because I wanted to give a reason why he wouldn't have noticed getting his pants wet. But once I wrote it, I probably should have taken it more seriously. Good point.BristerXD wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 am The transition between the morning class and the bathroom didn’t really feel needed. You could have described more of Hisao’s dreariness and just gray outlook on things from his sleep deprivation and have that scene with the mirror hit a lot harder. A lot of its punch is taken away when we literally just jump into it, giving us an unwanted jarring feeling but also is quickly forgotten about moving right into comedy.
Thanks! I'm still a bit skeptical, but we'll see how they progress.
I had in mind the scene where Hisao says "I can't do this" on the track and she half encourages / half yells at him to keep going. This was like the more negative version of that, since he didn't give her the chance to do that.
Mm. Maybe I could have done something differently to avoid it giving off that feeling. It's definitely part of the overall plot though, not just scene drama. We'll see plenty more of Emi in upcoming chapters.
Glad you liked it. I was worried about exposition dumping too hard, but similar to the VN, I didn't want to continue the day-by-day scenes after Act 2 starts. That, and actually writing out multiple scenes of Hisao watching Hitomi practice would have gotten monotonous, especially since there will almost certainly be more scenes in that setting later on.BristerXD wrote: ↑Sat Aug 15, 2020 10:13 am Act 2 Scene 3: All around, splendid chapter to read through. Most people I know fall into the trap of just exposition dumping as they did in the game with the black screen. It works there as there’s more stimulation to make that, on paper, dull section stand out in importance while in basic writing it bleeds into everything else. You actually did a smart thing and punctuated it with clear, visible action so to speak. Your prose isn’t too flowery just does lend itself to creating a nice mental image that honestly tells a lot about Hitomi’s character. It’s a good hook that makes the exposition afterward go down easier for lack of a better term. Now I could say in the future it would behoove you to try and find ways to blend exposition in visual actions or movements so that the entire thing flows nicer but again that’s more style and up to personal preference. What you have there is good enough for me
Thank you again! And I'm looking forward to reading anything you put out! If you need a proofreader, hit me up. I'll try not to recommend you make all your sentences super long and complex, lol.
As the Lesser Master of Long, Complex Sentences and Chamberlain of the Oxford Comma (or something), I feel compelled to butt in.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sun Aug 16, 2020 12:07 pmYeah, this is actually more of a problem for me than you likely realize. I'm aware of it, and a part of my editing process is chopping up overly long sentences. So what you're seeing is AFTER I'm trying to address that issue. It is partly a style thing, but variety helps the flow much better, and I don't really like this part of my writing style. Oh, look, I'm doing it again...
I adore the subtitles on display in the above exchange. All three characters—Misha, Shizune, and Hisao—are on different pages, mentally. Hisao poses the question, intending it to be a query on what her disability is. Misha chimes in, misinterpreting that Hisao was asking about her about her status as a student, and begins to answer that question. She is then interrupted by Shizune, who also misinterprets the question as a query on Hitomi's personality, and answers that question. Meanwhile, Hisao can only sit there, his original question not even being answered. But the fact that his question isn't answered isn't important. What's important is that the reader just got three times the exposition in the time it normally takes to normally get just one piece of exposition. All the while, you used misinterpretations and interruptions to keep the conversation feeling natural, and more importantly, concise.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:52 pm "So what was her problem? I don't think I've seen that girl before."
"Hitomi? Oh, she's just new, Hicchan! I mean, not as new as you, but she also transferred in this year, and-" Misha stops as Shizune snaps her fingers with a harsh glare directed her way. Having been reigned in, Misha resumes her translation duties while Shizune repeats whatever she had been signing in response to my question.
"Nomura isn't one to think about anyone but herself. It's why she doesn't have any friends here yet- Aww, Shicchan… and probably won't until she learns how to talk to people properly. Some transfer students take longer than others to get used to attending here."
That doesn’t really answer my question, but I guess it would be rude to ask what her disability is.
This one's more subtle, and it might be harder for me to explain. When Hitomi says, "I don't mind," it's not immediately clear why she's saying this. What is she referring to? What does she mean when she says that she "doesn't mind?" She's actually referring to Hisao's question at the beginning of the conversation, when he asks why she's comfortable with crowds despite her dislike of being around—or being "seen"—by other people. She "doesn't mind" that Hisao is an exception in that he "sees" her, and that he's hanging around with her. The text doesn't make this connection for us; it puts the reader on the treadmill a little bit, it makes us figure things out for ourselves, and it keeps the reader active rather than passive.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:08 pm I blink; going from occasional glances to a full stare is unnerving. "Um, you said before that you liked the quiet. You know, being away from people." She just nods, so I continue. "Why is it that you don't mind being here, in the crowd?"
"Being in a crowd is like being alone." she answers immediately, turning to face forward again. "When people are everywhere, they don't see each other. They just see a crowd."
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...I have to think about what she means before I can answer her. "Well, I've been around crowds my whole life, but there's been plenty of times I felt like I was totally alone. Like nobody around me really was seeing me. I just didn't really put it together like that."
She nods, glancing at me, then back out again. Her expression is still calm, but maybe she is nervous after all?
"I see you, though."
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Hitomi glances at me again, but this time she holds my gaze for a second or two before looking away, as if she was evaluating my statement. "I know. I don't mind."
I take a moment to process that.
Oh, boy. Hisao is such an alpha male in this story and he's not even trying. Maybe I should take notes.
Okay... That was cute.
This line got my mind churning. This one line, I think, hints that this pseudo-route has the potential to be an unusual twist on your everyday visual novel route. There have been a number of instances in Act 1 and Act 2 where Hitomi has been subtly going out of her way to make Hisao feel comfortable: she walks slower when Hisao is around, she usually lets him control the flow of their conversations, and she invites him to come watch her archery practice whenever he wants (now Hisao doesn't need to feel nervous about whether or not Hitomi wants him there). These are all small details, but I would wager that they are indicative of what's to come: Hitomi is the one who will be taking the lead. This is my prediction, at least.
First and foremost.... Daaaaaayyyuuuum. Alpha male move right there. In all seriousness, this scene made me laugh.
It's interesting that Hisao is aware that he's pitying Hitomi. I'd wager that this is going to come up more on Hisao's side of things, but I'm much more curious about how Hitomi sees Hisao. Does Hitomi pity Hisao back? I mean, she's pretty observant, so I'm sure she's figured out that Hisao is depressed and lonely, but does that mean she pities him? I don't have much else to say on this subject, but I look forward to seeing where you take this plot thread.
Uh oh... Should I be afraid to read on?
Oh, yeah. This is portrayal of Hisao is definitely more broken than in any of the visual novel routes. I love the imagery of Hisao and the mirror, by the way. Hisao is so broken that he can’t even look at himself. Tragic. Also, here he is once again thinking back to the hospital. By now, I'm certain that these hospital callbacks are intentional.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:02 pm In the hospital, I had noticed the few times I saw my reflection just how gaunt and unhealthy my face and body had started to look, and quickly got into the habit of avoiding mirrors. I didn't need another reminder of what was happening to me. How unfair it all was. Teenagers aren't supposed to look this haggard.
This conversation—and the following scene with the Nurse—is humorous, but it's also really freaking sad. Why? Because Rin's absolutely right, even if neither of them realize it. Hisao's problem isn't in his chest, it isn't in his pants, it's in his mind—it is his mind. Hisao is a wreck right now, mentally. You get extra credit for this million-dollar line, Xeraeo.
Hisao is still quite pessimistic, and doesn't see the point in doing something that he thinks he can't. On the other side of the coin, Hitomi's hobby is archery, something that she knows she won't be able to do in the future. Hitomi is like Emi and Rin: all of them fighting back against what should be "impossible" for them, given their disabilities. Meanwhile, Hisao can't even do that. For how similar Hisao and Hitomi are, this is one of their biggest differences.
Unless you intentionally wrote in this bit of improper English (which seems unlikely, given that this is Lilly we're talking about), “I and my class…” should be “My class and I…”
“I was just to tired to get into it…” should be “I was just too tired to get into it…”
Hisao's response seems strange, here. I think that Hisao is answering the wrong question. I think it could be fixed by removing the word, "how," from Lilly's original question.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:08 pm "So, Hisao, how have you been getting adjusted to life here?"
I doubt Lilly would have reached out through Hanako if she just wanted to make small talk, but I'll play along for now.
"I think so. Everyone's been welcoming, mostly, and I'm not too far behind in classes."
In hindsight, I'm very glad I made this choice for many reasons, but thank you for affirming it as well. I'm mostly happy with how Act 1 turned out, and much was developed in its writing that shaped the path of Act 2 far differently than I had originally intended, hopefully for the better.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm I recall from your introductory post that you considered skipping Act 1 and starting off with Act 2. As you have acknowledged, this approach has been used successfully in other pseudo-routes, but I am very thankful that you chose to write Act 1, and that you handled it the way you did. This story gives us a remarkably distinct portrayal of Hisao, and I feel that having a dedicated Act 1 to properly establish this version of Hisao was the right call.
I'm glad that he's coming across that way. A story with an unsympathetic, unlikable protagonist is hard to stick with. Although I wouldn't mind the reader getting a touch annoyed with him at times, as that would be consistent with the VN Hisao, whom I wanted to slap upside the head a couple times.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm What's remarkable to me is that despite Hisao's pessimistic attitude at the beginning of the story, he never once came across as unlikeable or annoying. His pessimism is the result of low self-esteem and the perfectly-believable stress of his disability, which I believe makes Hisao sympathetic rather than annoying. I want to root for this Hisao. I want him to get better, even if he believes that he's never "'gonna get better.'" We'll see about that, Hisao.
Yes, but perhaps not to the degree of intention you're giving me credit for here. Hisao's hospital stay was, as far as I can tell, a mind-numbingly depressing experience, and the idea that he'd just snap right out of that in the matter of a week or so always seemed a bit silly to me. Don't get me wrong, I think KS did take some time to address the process of recovery here and there, but it always seemed a bit too easy for Hisao. One moment, he's in the hospital, and the next he has a "fresh start", and the last four months of near total isolation and the loss of his entire former life is something he seems to get over all too easily.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm I don’t know if you are intentionally dropping all of these callbacks to the hospital in Hisao’s inner-monologues... but I think that you are, given how relevant the hospital seems to be to this story.
This is actually quite surprising to hear. Or read. I've felt that my dialogue was always a bit awkward and unnatural, and often struggle when editing it to make each character sound like a unique voice. I certainly wasn't aware I was using anything advanced, but now that you're pointing some of it out, I guess I see it.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm I'd like to make a special mention to the way you use and write dialogue, since I think that you are particularly strong on this front. Even though you mentioned that you are a new writer, you are already exhibiting some advanced dialogue tricks.
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What's important is that the reader just got three times the exposition in the time it normally takes to normally get just one piece of exposition. All the while, you used misinterpretations and interruptions to keep the conversation feeling natural, and more importantly, concise.
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Hehe. Woah... I think I analyzed those two conversations a little more heavily than I was expecting. Oh, well! What can I say? I'm a total sucker for well made dialogue, and this is well made dialogue. Good on you, Xeraeo!
I won't say you're entirely right or wrong, and I won't spoil anything either (not that I really could, since so much of the story will change from what I intend in the process of writing it that it's not even spoiled for me, really), but you've got a good grasp of some aspects of my intention here. Kinda. We'll see. More importantly, you're giving me ideas for how to get where I want to go, and that's what I need most right now. So thanks.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm These are all small details, but I would wager that they are indicative of what's to come: Hitomi is the one who will be taking the lead. This is my prediction, at least.
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It makes me wonder if Hitomi is going to have to be the one to step up and support him as he tries to leave his inner-hospital, if you will. I definitely don't think Hitomi would be "saving" Hisao—I'd be disappointed if it was that basic—but I wonder if she's going to have to take the lead to be his pillar of support. I wonder if Hitomi doing so will finally encourage Hisao to leave behind his defeated mindset and become a pillar of support to Hitomi in return.
That's awesome, and I'm glad to hear you like her! I'm liking her more and more as I get to know her, too. The thing is, though, that we're mostly seeing the likable, or "good" aspects of her up-front. Kinda the opposite of Shizune, who wears her more unlikable character traits on the outside, and her more likable ones take getting to know her to really see. Hitomi is far from perfect or idealized, and we will learn about her flaws as we get to know more about her alongside Hisao. Hopefully once a more complete picture of the girl is formed, we can still appreciate her for who she is, and maybe even the better for it. Hopefully Hisao can too.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm And with that said, now seems like a good a time as any to talk a bit about Hitomi... I really like her. I could mention her honest personality, her relaxed demeanor, or the hilarious manner in which she "fends off" Shizune, but I think the chief reason that she's an interesting character is that she's a mystery. I'm really glad that you've chosen to keep a lid on Hitomi so far, because I think her enigmatic presence is what makes her fun. She and Hisao are definitely kindred spirits, but we don't exactly know why these two are drawn to each other, not even Hisao knows why he finds himself interested in her. On a surface level, both are still grappling with their new disabilities, but I'm eager to see their relationship grow on a deeper level as more scenes are posted.
Holy shit. No. I don't remotely disagree. This may come as a shock (probably not) but I have an awful memory. Part of the way I try to avoid contradictions within the story is by repeatedly going back and re-reading previous chapters, and referencing them as I write new ones. However, I have not once gone back and re-read my little intro. I'm not sure what was going through my head, but I definitely wrote the reveal scene with the intention of the reader learning the info alongside Hisao, not going in knowing it! Something I recently recommended to someone else on here was to avoid separating the reader from the mind of the protag as much as possible, as it breaks immersion. This means making sure the reader, for the most part, knows everything the protag knows that's relevant, and little else.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm In your introductory post, you openly inform the reader that Hitomi has intermittent blindness. This may just be personal preference, but I believe that telling the reader that Hitomi has intermittent blindness from the beginning robbed Act 1 of a possible source of tension. You have done a good job at making Hitomi's disability—in addition to Hitomi herself—into a mystery for Hisao. However, it wasn't a mystery for me because I already knew what her disability was. It creates a disconnect from the reader and Hisao—all the moments and hints that you dropped which clued Hisao into what Hitomi's disability could be don't work for the reader because they already know the answer. Perhaps you disagree with my standpoint on this issue, and that would be totally fine! This "issue" is not really a big deal in the long run, but I felt like bringing it up because I like to offer constructive criticism to writers of on-going stories, and I hope that you find it helpful rather than malicious. For what it's worth, I think this "issue" could be remedied somewhat by placing a spoiler tag over the words, "intermittent blindness," in the introductory post. Again, these are just my thoughts. Feel free to disagree!
I'm glad you found this effective. I was quite pleased with how this scene turned out. And yeah, given the similarity in disability, I want to make sure that the contrast between Lilly and Hitomi is distinct. Fortunately, this isn't that hard, as their personalities are significantly different, and even when it comes to their disabilities, Lilly is accustomed to hers while Hitomi is new to it. Beyond that, Lilly will continue to play a fairly significant role in this route, as will many others of the main cast, and it would feel like a waste to cover old ground again. I love each of the original KS girls for different parts of who they are, but I want to love Hitomi for the same reason; the things that make her unique and lovable.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm Next up, we get the scene of Hisao and Hitomi laying in the clearing. This is a great scene. You mentioned in your introductory post that you noticed an abundance of stories where Hisao, Emi, Hanako, Lilly, and others struggled with opening up, and that you wanted to avoid retreading this for your story. I can definitely say you succeeded! It was refreshing to see Hisao opening up so extensively—after bottling himself up for so long, I found it totally believable that he would want to bare his story to someone. Then the fireworks happened, and Hitomi couldn't see them. Absolutely heartbreaking. I'm glad that Hitomi isn't a retread of Lilly. If anything, Lilly and Hitomi are as different as you can get, both in their personalities and in the way their blindness impacts them. In fact, Hitomi doesn't feel like any of the heroines from the visual novel, and I really like that.
Two things; first of all, your wish is granted, and spoiler, Miki (and Suzu) play a critical role in the next scene, which I'm about 80% through the first draft of at the moment. Second, I'm not sure which interpretation of Miki you're referring to, as the Miki in KS (she's only really in Hanako's route, I think) doesn't give us much info on how she's dealing with her disability. I'm guessing you may be pulling that from some head canon? Either way, I'm unsure exactly how my Miki is doing in that regard, but we'll see. Interesting idea, either way, and I may have to steal it!Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm Miki! Oh, my! I hope that we see more of her in this story, since she's very similar to Hisao and Hitomi in that she hasn't fully come to terms with her disability, yet. Maybe Miki could be an ally to the both of them? Miki and Suzu were a neat pair, and their lunch banter was fun!
In this particular case, I was just referring to his present state, not any particular future he may or may not have in later chapters, or his overall happiness by the end of the story.
Again, more credit than I deserve here. I'm pretty sure I was aiming more for the humor than anything else in this scene, although your diagnosis of Hisao isn't wrong; merely your attributing it to my conscious intention. That being said, glad my unconscious mind is doing a decent job at getting my underlying points across. So extra credit not exactly deserved, but thanks, I guess!Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pmThis conversation—and the following scene with the Nurse—is humorous, but it's also really freaking sad. Why? Because Rin's absolutely right, even if neither of them realize it. Hisao's problem isn't in his chest, it isn't in his pants, it's in his mind—it is his mind. Hisao is a wreck right now, mentally. You get extra credit for this million-dollar line, Xeraeo.
To be a little punny, you're slightly off the mark on this one. We'll find out more about what motivates Hitomi as we go, but it's not quite as inspirational as Emi or Rin, in my estimation. And she and Hisao are more similar in this regard than you realize, but again, we'll see...Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm Hisao is still quite pessimistic, and doesn't see the point in doing something that he thinks he can't. On the other side of the coin, Hitomi's hobby is archery, something that she knows she won't be able to do in the future. Hitomi is like Emi and Rin: all of them fighting back against what should be "impossible" for them, given their disabilities. Meanwhile, Hisao can't even do that. For how similar Hisao and Hitomi are, this is one of their biggest differences.
Oh, look, a giant pile of good ideas that I totally won't steal! Seriously though, good point. Lots of potential in this area, and for a reason...Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm On the other hand, I can easily see Hitomi putting herself in real danger by not taking her condition seriously. When Hitomi lost her eyesight in the clearing during the festival, Hisao was there to guide her back to her dorm, but what if she's out at the clearing, loses her eyesight, and Hisao isn't there. She'd be totally lost. What if she was stuck there all day? What if she was stuck there all night? Would she just try to wait it out? Would she try and feel her way back to the dorms? Could she even find her way back the dorms? How would Hisao react if something like this happened? This is all hypothetical, of course, but I think it shows how much potential there is for powerful storytelling with the way you've set up Hitomi's conflict. I'm really anxious to see where you go with this.
Right, right, and right! All fixed, and thank you for catching those! I literally spent most of today editing a book for someone, and catching typos in both my and others' writing is something I pride myself on, so I'm simultaneously embarrassed that you found any, proud it was only three, and grateful that you took the time to help me correct them! Also, mad props on catching the third one in particular. That was subtle. I had to read it three times before I could really see the problem.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm Okay! We've reached the end of my thoughts on the story, but before I submit this post, I noticed a few typos that I thought that I'd point out to you!
On Thursday of Act 1, Lilly says the following to Hisao:
Unless you intentionally wrote in this bit of improper English (which seems unlikely, given that this is Lilly we're talking about), “I and my class…” should be “My class and I…”
On Saturday of Act 1, Hisao thinks to himself:
“I was just to tired to get into it…” should be “I was just too tired to get into it…”
In Act 2, Scene 3, the following conversation occurs between Hisao and Lilly:
Hisao's response seems strange, here. I think that Hisao is answering the wrong question. I think it could be fixed by removing the word, "how," from Lilly's original question.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Wed Aug 12, 2020 2:08 pm "So, Hisao, how have you been getting adjusted to life here?"
I doubt Lilly would have reached out through Hanako if she just wanted to make small talk, but I'll play along for now.
"I think so. Everyone's been welcoming, mostly, and I'm not too far behind in classes."
Ditto to every part of this. Thank you for the same, I'm enjoying writing it, as well as reading people's thoughts on it. I don't have an exact idea of where any of it is going either, but I'm hopeful for the future as it progresses, and I expect it will turn out quite nicely unless I majorly fuck it up somewhere, or abandon it. Seeing people like you taking such a detailed interest in it helps prevent both of those possibilities, so seriously. Thank you.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm Whew! Thanks for reading all of my thoughts and ramblings. Again, I had a great time reading your story. I don't have an exact idea of where it's all going, but if it's heading anywhere near the direction I think it's going, then I think we're in for a real treat.
Keep up the great work. Take care!
You make a very good point, here. It would probably be strange if I never found myself upset with Hisao. Chances are, if other characters are annoyed with Hisao, the reader should be getting more annoyed, too. I shouldn't let my sympathy run away with itself. Thanks for mentioning this to me—I'll try to be conscious of it moving forward!Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 amI'm glad that he's coming across that way. A story with an unsympathetic, unlikable protagonist is hard to stick with. Although I wouldn't mind the reader getting a touch annoyed with him at times, as that would be consistent with the VN Hisao, whom I wanted to slap upside the head a couple times.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm What's remarkable to me is that despite Hisao's pessimistic attitude at the beginning of the story, he never once came across as unlikeable or annoying...
Hmmmm... Haha! It sounds like I went a little overboard with the dialogue analysis—searching for hidden meanings and all that. To give you a little context, I'm a huge fan of screenwriter/playwright, Aaron Sorkin. Even though I'm not a professional filmmaker/writer or anything, perhaps you could say that I've picked up the habit of closely analyzing dialogue from watching his films or reading his scripts. I get a kick out of that sort of analysis, and I love the sensation of finding hidden meanings in the works I read or watch. I usually don't get everything right, but that's part of the fun for me!Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am This is actually quite surprising to hear. Or read. I've felt that my dialogue was always a bit awkward and unnatural, and often struggle when editing it to make each character sound like a unique voice. I certainly wasn't aware I was using anything advanced, but now that you're pointing some of it out, I guess I see it.
Something to note though; the techniques you're ascribing to me are more the result of me attempting to write the dialogue based on the way these characters talk and interact, while trying to get my exposition worked in somehow, rather than actually attempting anything advanced. Glad it worked though! It seems my haphazard methods aren't totally worthless after all.
Oh, my. You've piqued my interest. I look forward to seeing what aspects I am getting correct!Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am Alright, this whole theory here:
I won't say you're entirely right or wrong, and I won't spoil anything either (not that I really could, since so much of the story will change from what I intend in the process of writing it that it's not even spoiled for me, really), but you've got a good grasp of some aspects of my intention here. Kinda. We'll see. More importantly, you're giving me ideas for how to get where I want to go, and that's what I need most right now. So thanks.Chatty Wheeler wrote: ↑Fri Aug 28, 2020 5:49 pm These are all small details, but I would wager that they are indicative of what's to come: Hitomi is the one who will be taking the lead. This is my prediction, at least...
Once again, you make a really good point, here. For now, Hitomi is still a mystery to me, but she certainly has been showing off her "likable" aspects more, hasn't she. We've yet to see all of her flaws, and until then, I should try and refrain from subconsciously putting her up on pedestal, and so should Hisao. Let's hope that Hisao makes some more friends, in the meantime, so he doesn't end up putting his sole focus on Hitomi.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am The thing is, though, that we're mostly seeing the likable, or "good" aspects of her up-front... Hitomi is far from perfect or idealized, and we will learn about her flaws as we get to know more about her alongside Hisao. Hopefully once a more complete picture of the girl is formed, we can still appreciate her for who she is...
Haha! Happy that I could help.
First off all... Yay! I'm looking forward to the next chapter. Second, I made that interpretation of Miki based off of one little bit from Hanako's route. When Hisao and Miki meet for the first time, on the side of the track, Hisao finds himself accidentally staring at her missing hand. When Miki catches him staring, she seems visibly uncomfortable and an awkward silence ensues... Also, the fact that Miki is wearing such a crude-looking bandage gave off the sense that losing her hand was something recent. These two details gave me the impression that Miki's disability is new, and that she hasn't quite come to terms with it yet. I suppose that you could call that a part of my head canon, and it's possible that I'm waaaay off in my interpretation of Miki, but that's just what came across to me during my first read of Hanako's route. If you wanted to "steal" that idea, you'd be stealing it from 4LS and cpl_crud, not me!Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am Two things; first of all, your wish is granted, and spoiler, Miki (and Suzu) play a critical role in the next scene, which I'm about 80% through the first draft of at the moment. Second, I'm not sure which interpretation of Miki you're referring to, as the Miki in KS (she's only really in Hanako's route, I think) doesn't give us much info on how she's dealing with her disability. I'm guessing you may be pulling that from some head canon? Either way, I'm unsure exactly how my Miki is doing in that regard, but we'll see. Interesting idea, either way, and I may have to steal it!
Oh my goodness that pun. I can't even.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am To be a little punny, you're slightly off the mark on this one. We'll find out more about what motivates Hitomi as we go, but it's not quite as inspirational as Emi or Rin, in my estimation. And she and Hisao are more similar in this regard than you realize, but again, we'll see...
Steal away, if you wish!
Again, I'm happy that I could be of service!Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am Right, right, and right! All fixed, and thank you for catching those! I literally spent most of today editing a book for someone, and catching typos in both my and others' writing is something I pride myself on, so I'm simultaneously embarrassed that you found any, proud it was only three, and grateful that you took the time to help me correct them! Also, mad props on catching the third one in particular. That was subtle. I had to read it three times before I could really see the problem.
I'm really happy that you feel that way. Thanks for making such a detailed reply to my post! I look forward to the next chapter.Xeraeo wrote: ↑Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:51 am Ditto to every part of this. Thank you for the same, I'm enjoying writing it, as well as reading people's thoughts on it. I don't have an exact idea of where any of it is going either, but I'm hopeful for the future as it progresses, and I expect it will turn out quite nicely unless I majorly fuck it up somewhere, or abandon it. Seeing people like you taking such a detailed interest in it helps prevent both of those possibilities, so seriously. Thank you.
Okay! Yes. This is good. Hisao has the chance to make some more friends. Awesome. This is just what he needs right now. Don't waste this chance now, Hisao...
However, Hisao never once stops and realizes that the reverse is also true. If he were the one to have an incident at the clearing, he would also be in just as much—if not more—trouble than if Hitomi had an incident. Sure enough, Hisao has an incident right before he gets to the clearing, and thank goodness Hitomi wasn't in the bathroom, and that she happened to be there to calm Hisao down when he was immobilized on the ground.
Should "and are talking quietly between them," be "and are talking quietly between themselves?"