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Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:13 pm
by Xanatos
pandaphil wrote:Xanatos wrote:pandaphil wrote:Hey your first job can be a real confidence booster right out of school. You're actually earning money and supporting yourself for the first time.
Yeah, it probably would have been, but my confidence (and everything else) was too low to even manage that.
I gotta get shit together this year...
I hear ya man. I've been out of work since June.
But really, the best thing to happen to Hanako would be for her to start getting articles published, or even get a babysitting gig in the neighborhood.
Never worked. But just about everything on my to-do list requires that I fix that so this should be a year of new shit.
Hanako babysits, gets dinner started. The parents come home. They ask where the baby is. Hanako confusedly glances at the bundle in her arms...Sees a meatloaf...And the horror slowly dawns on her face...
But then, a silver lining: "At least I can have a sister now..."
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:36 pm
by Umber
Xanatos wrote:"At least I can have a sister now..."
Another reason for our love/hate relationship, Xan...
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2013 9:40 pm
by Xanatos
Umber wrote:Xanatos wrote:"At least I can have a sister now..."
Another reason for our love/hate relationship, Xan...
Love you too, waifu!
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 10:51 am
by YZQ
I think a babysitter is not exactly the first job I'll recommend to Hanako. Something with less responsibility will be better.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 12:49 pm
by Oddball
YZQ wrote:I think a babysitter is not exactly the first job I'll recommend to Hanako. Something with less responsibility will be better.
It's not like she doesn't have experience. Hanako did mention she used to help out with the younger children at the orphanage.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 1:47 pm
by Jobriq
Was gonna vote Shizune, but Misha's choice was too good
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 2:15 pm
by pandaphil
Oddball wrote:YZQ wrote:I think a babysitter is not exactly the first job I'll recommend to Hanako. Something with less responsibility will be better.
It's not like she doesn't have experience. Hanako did mention she used to help out with the younger children at the orphanage.
My thoughts exactly. I could see her relaxing and beign more open around children.. The hard part of course would be the initial interview with the parents.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 6:32 pm
by YZQ
Well, we're not told the extent of her help back in the orphanage. That, and the expectation some folks have of babysitters. But, Phil nailed it with the interview comment.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:11 pm
by TehLandshark
pandaphil wrote:
Nice summation there.
I'm not sure how much of a "helicopter mom" Lilly would likely be though. Isn't she the one who warned Hisao to back off from Hanako and let her breathe during her route?
And yeah, Rin wouldn't be so much an abusive mother, as a neglectful one. How easy would it be for her to get distracted and just forget about the child. Definitely a bad thing if they're outside or in public at the time.
Otoh she did indicate several times in her arc that she knew she had a problem, and would like to understand people better. So I can see Hisao, or any other partner easily being able to convince her to get professional help. Either with medication or therapy.
Thank you.'
Lilly did stop herself, true, but it took an extreme amount of time and effort for her to ultimately decide what was best. Even then, she still left the decision up to Hisao and wouldn't take responsibility herself. Without driving her children to the point of being Hanakos stuck in their rooms going mad, Lilly would probably be that sort of intrusive parent and I can see that getting abusive.
I personally think that neglect is a form of abuse. Kids need to learn how to love others and form meaningful relationships, and Rin isn't able to connect in that way with others.
I sure hope that there would be a way to help her, but I can't know of that myself.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:26 pm
by Jobriq
Rin would probably have a hard time being a mother even if she wasn't neglectful. She can feed herself with her feet, but I don't see her successfully feeding an infant with her feet
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:31 pm
by Omega
Kenji would be the worst mother...
(A) Not a woman
(B) Killed his best friend (maybe)
(C) God forbid he have a daughter...
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Thu Apr 04, 2013 7:38 pm
by Jobriq
Omega wrote:Kenji would be the worst mother...
(A) Not a woman
(B) Killed his best friend (maybe)
(C) God forbid he have a daughter...
Kenji would teach his son about the dangers of feminists
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 12:54 am
by Guest Poster
Lilly did stop herself, true, but it took an extreme amount of time and effort for her to ultimately decide what was best. Even then, she still left the decision up to Hisao and wouldn't take responsibility herself. Without driving her children to the point of being Hanakos stuck in their rooms going mad, Lilly would probably be that sort of intrusive parent and I can see that getting abusive.
Of course she left the decision up to Hisao. He was the one in the situation and she was merely the one he approached for advice. What was she supposed to do from Inverness? It was never her issue to take responsibility for.
I can't really see Lilly become an intrusive parent because that's not her approach to dealing with people in general. Shizune's the one who likes to be in control and favors a hands-on approach where she controls all the factors. Lilly prefers to subtly steer people towards reaching the right conclusions on their own. An example can be seen after Hanako's birthday party. After putting Hanako to bed, Hisao lets out a statement to Lilly that suggests his attitude towards Hanako is getting unhealthy. Rather than give him a scolding or confront him with his own statement, Lilly arranges that jazz bar outing in the hopes of getting Hisao to see Hanako in a different light. You can't say that kind of approach is intrusive.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:16 am
by pandaphil
Guest Poster wrote:Lilly did stop herself, true, but it took an extreme amount of time and effort for her to ultimately decide what was best. Even then, she still left the decision up to Hisao and wouldn't take responsibility herself. Without driving her children to the point of being Hanakos stuck in their rooms going mad, Lilly would probably be that sort of intrusive parent and I can see that getting abusive.
Of course she left the decision up to Hisao. He was the one in the situation and she was merely the one he approached for advice. What was she supposed to do from Inverness? It was never her issue to take responsibility for.
I can't really see Lilly become an intrusive parent because that's not her approach to dealing with people in general. Shizune's the one who likes to be in control and favors a hands-on approach where she controls all the factors. Lilly prefers to subtly steer people towards reaching the right conclusions on their own. An example can be seen after Hanako's birthday party. After putting Hanako to bed, Hisao lets out a statement to Lilly that suggests his attitude towards Hanako is getting unhealthy. Rather than give him a scolding or confront him with his own statement, Lilly arranges that jazz bar outing in the hopes of getting Hisao to see Hanako in a different light. You can't say that kind of approach is intrusive.
Thank you.
Re: The most likely to become an emotionally abusive mother?
Posted: Fri Apr 05, 2013 1:20 am
by ShadeHaven
Jobriq wrote:Rin would probably have a hard time being a mother even if she wasn't neglectful. She can feed herself with her feet, but I don't see her successfully feeding an infant with her feet
I'd imagine that her husband would help with those issues, hopefully.